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Thursday, November 08, 2012

I had a hunch you were anti-government, though for a slightly different reason than you offered.

I'm not anti-goverment. I'm not anti-anything.
It simply does not have importance or significance in my life agenda.

Thursday, November 08, 2012

I will never understand why a lot of americans are so against government. A land where it's every man for itself can't be pleasant to live. It brings chances of survival back to the primitive darwinian ones. Only the strong survive. Which might be the reason your nation is also so bend on gun owning. I for one think humanity is bigger than that. Bigger than animalistic urges for survival. Compassion, tolerance and collaboration are words I'd gladly repeat from Obama's victory speech.

Also some republicans preaching to make abortion illegal claiming it's murder while they gladly see a poor man die because he can't afford health care is peculiar to me.

Thursday, November 08, 2012

I completely agree.

Thursday, November 08, 2012

TRL wrote : Also some republicans preaching to make abortion illegal claiming it's murder while they gladly see a poor man die because he can't afford health care is peculiar to me.

I see where you are coming from, but I would beg to differ depending on the age of the "poor man." Health care, in addition to Social Security, would set every American's household income to dangerous levels. I would want Social Security to be got rid of, because it's outlived its original purpose and is now choking the money out of every working American.

People are living longer as a result, and if the elderly live longer, their numbers accumulate, which then forces the working class to give up more of their pay to Social Security funds.

I just wish Social Security will be gone soon, then I'd be all for universal healthcare. Right now, I'm still kind of iffy about having both.

Thursday, November 08, 2012

I just wish Social Security will be gone soon, then I'd be all for universal healthcare. Right now, I'm still kind of iffy about having both.

What about older/disabled individuals that actually survive and retire off social security checks? Would you have them without shelter, food, and basic utilities? Health care isn't the only necessity for survival, after all.

Thursday, November 08, 2012

Zeth wrote : I'm not anti-goverment. I'm not anti-anything.
It simply does not have importance or significance in my life agenda.

My opinion. His words.

Friday, November 09, 2012

what about the fact that people receive stamps for food and stuff but if the same thing is done for education the system will automatically get better

Friday, November 09, 2012

Yes education is outrageously expensive in the USA. Students have to take huge loans just to be able to study. It creates a class system where the rich stay rich and the poor aren't able to work themselves up.


Another thing about abortion is, immutable belief groups are against it mainly because it hampers with the spreading of their immutable belief. If you look at mormon or islamic families you see they are very high on "breeding", having a lot of kids. They don't actually care to protect life, they just won't their immutable belief to spread faster. This big family theme is a recurrent one in many immutable beliefs. In our overpopulated world of today there isn't any sane reason anymore to have more than 3 kids. So family planning must exist.

Besides before 12 weeks of pregnancy (when an abortion usually takes place) the human embryo is almost the same as a fish. It has primitive guils and a tale. Should we be saving fish embryos too then? Better stop eating caviar. Or maybe chicken embryos? If a woman isn't able to give a child a good life, I think she should have a choice.

Friday, November 09, 2012

TRL wrote : Yes education is outrageously expensive in the USA. Students have to take huge loans just to be able to study. It creates a class system where the rich stay rich and the poor aren't able to work themselves up.


Another thing about abortion is, immutable belief groups are against it mainly because it hampers with the spreading of their immutable belief. If you look at mormon or islamic families you see they are very high on "breeding", having a lot of kids. They don't actually care to protect life, they just won't their immutable belief to spread faster. This big family theme is a recurrent one in many immutable beliefs. In our overpopulated world of today there isn't any sane reason anymore to have more than 3 kids. So family planning must exist.

Besides before 12 weeks of pregnancy (when an abortion usually takes place) the human embryo is almost the same as a fish. It has primitive guils and a tale. Should we be saving fish embryos too then? Better stop eating caviar. Or maybe chicken embryos? If a woman isn't able to give a child a good life, I think she should have a choice.

again that's mainly in uneducated typical ones who misinterpret every word , the concept of large families is only limited to villages now in 99% urban areas 99% people have 1 or 2 kids here on average

after everything it comes to education which is pretty expensive , and at least here there is no teaching to stop abortions just to spread a immutable belief , just clearing that out

Friday, November 09, 2012

condoms should be free

Friday, November 09, 2012

TRL wrote : Yes education is outrageously expensive in the USA. Students have to take huge loans just to be able to study. It creates a class system where the rich stay rich and the poor aren't able to work themselves up.


Another thing about abortion is, immutable belief groups are against it mainly because it hampers with the spreading of their immutable belief. If you look at mormon or islamic families you see they are very high on "breeding", having a lot of kids. They don't actually care to protect life, they just won't their immutable belief to spread faster. This big family theme is a recurrent one in many immutable beliefs. In our overpopulated world of today there isn't any sane reason anymore to have more than 3 kids. So family planning must exist.

Besides before 12 weeks of pregnancy (when an abortion usually takes place) the human embryo is almost the same as a fish. It has primitive guils and a tale. Should we be saving fish embryos too then? Better stop eating caviar. Or maybe chicken embryos? If a woman isn't able to give a child a good life, I think she should have a choice.

Personally, I believe abortions should be a matter of choice. Just as the person who chose to (sex) each other took procreation into their own hands. (and the responsibilities that come with it) I understand the republicans are trying to teach them to stop chickening out on responsibilities, but these are the same people that would let the poor starve because they think the less fortunate are accountable for EVERYTHING that happens to them.

Most have already demostrated their power to choose before the laws were put in place, and continued to do so afterwards despite the consequences. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the whole "mother drowned child" thing on the news...

To sum this up, they might as well make sex illegal if they plan to make abortion illegal, or, like you said, make eating caviar illegal. *laughing out loud* Otherwise they're just wasting their time, and the people will do it regardless. In some cases, the parent is so afraid of being seen as deviant, that they wait until the child is fully developed to uh... yunno... OFF they kids! *intense laughter*

It's probably against my immutable belief to support abortion, but it is also against my immutable belief to vote. So don't worry about me being, "the vote that counted." I would never resort to abortion myself regardless, but the people who want to (or in most cases feel they absolutely HAVE to) should be able to do what they want with their children...

Until then, the law is the law... and they have to respect it...Or is it? trash! I don't even know!

Friday, November 09, 2012

It's good to see that you're thinking for your own.

But voting is against your immutable belief? what the heck!

Friday, November 09, 2012

"Abortion is not allowed after four months have passed since conception because at that time it is akin to taking a life, an act that entails penalty in this world and in the Hereafter. As regards the matter of abortion before this period elapses, it is considered allowed if necessary. However, in the absence of a reasonable excuse it is detestable."

after 4 months it's not allowed for us , I think 4 months is a pretty long time to think about it

Friday, November 09, 2012

najeeb wrote : "Abortion is not allowed after four months have passed since conception because at that time it is akin to taking a life, an act that entails penalty in this world and in the Hereafter. As regards the matter of abortion before this period elapses, it is considered allowed if necessary. However, in the absence of a reasonable excuse it is detestable."

after 4 months it's not allowed for us , I think 4 months is a pretty long time to think about it

Women can't tell if they are pregnant until it's close to that amount of time. You can't just do a pregnancy test the day after intimate interaction and expect to know whether you really have a child on the way or not.

Saturday, November 10, 2012

Linkxp500 wrote :

najeeb wrote : "Abortion is not allowed after four months have passed since conception because at that time it is akin to taking a life, an act that entails penalty in this world and in the Hereafter. As regards the matter of abortion before this period elapses, it is considered allowed if necessary. However, in the absence of a reasonable excuse it is detestable."

after 4 months it's not allowed for us , I think 4 months is a pretty long time to think about it

Women can't tell if they are pregnant until it's close to that amount of time. You can't just do a pregnancy test the day after intimate interaction and expect to know whether you really have a child on the way or not.

like a man put his electric shuffle in her in her dreams right ? , 9 months is the total time , 4 months is more than half that

edit : seriously electric shuffle ? -,- what the heck word filter

Saturday, November 10, 2012

Linkxp500 wrote :

najeeb wrote : "Abortion is not allowed after four months have passed since conception because at that time it is akin to taking a life, an act that entails penalty in this world and in the Hereafter. As regards the matter of abortion before this period elapses, it is considered allowed if necessary. However, in the absence of a reasonable excuse it is detestable."

after 4 months it's not allowed for us , I think 4 months is a pretty long time to think about it

Women can't tell if they are pregnant until it's close to that amount of time. You can't just do a pregnancy test the day after intimate interaction and expect to know whether you really have a child on the way or not.

A simple hormone urine test can tell you after 9 days. There's also the absence of her period the next month.

Saturday, November 10, 2012

TRL wrote : A simple hormone urine test can tell you after 9 days.

It isn't likely for most women to assume they might be pregnant after that long, so they'd probably not try it. If they did, however, they would probably not bring it up depending on the situation they could be in.

TRL wrote : There's also the absence of her period the next month.

Maybe, but she won't generally think, "I must be pregnant," because of such an occurrence. Even if she does think that, it's likely she'd keep the information to herself hoping that it can't be true (this is in the case that the woman does not want a child, or is still young).

Saturday, November 10, 2012

Linkxp500 wrote :

TRL wrote : A simple hormone urine test can tell you after 9 days.

It isn't likely for most women to assume they might be pregnant after that long, so they'd probably not try it. If they did, however, they would probably not bring it up depending on the situation they could be in.

TRL wrote : There's also the absence of her period the next month.

Maybe, but she won't generally think, "I must be pregnant," because of such an occurrence. Even if she does think that, it's likely she'd keep the information to herself hoping that it can't be true (this is in the case that the woman does not want a child, or is still young).

There's also the morning sickness that most women get. It's fairly common, and most people recognize its meaning pretty quickly, and go buy a pregnancy test to find out for sure.

Also, in regards to abortion being legal or not... The Supreme Court in the US already ruled in favor of a woman's right to choose, so it is considered legal. The only way that will ever change, is if a case can be brought to the Supreme Court that could change their minds and overturn the ruling. Any politician claiming to be pro-abortion or anti-abortion doesn't really matter, because they can't over turn the ruling; Only the Judges in the Supreme Court can, so their beliefs in general are mostly moot point.

And I guess I'm the only one on this forum that voted Romney... So ease up on the Romney bashing and Obama praising. Obama is not the divine being that the media makes him out to be, he's just a man like everyone else.

Actually, I think we shouldn't be discussing politics here at all, since it invariably leads to differing views, heated arguments, harsh words, and eventually hurt feelings and loathing of certain people.

Saturday, November 10, 2012

link , at 4 months the women will exp vomits and allot of other stuff like shenku and trl stated

Saturday, November 10, 2012

Shenku, you're probably right about politics leading to arguments. But I'm well aware that political views have a lot to do with how you were brought up, so I'm quite forgiving to any stance. To every argument there is undoubtedly a counterargument.
I don't think Obama is a divine being either, but Romney has just made too many mistakes so the bashing is warranted. You could claim that the media is biased, but that goes both ways. And if 90% of the rest of the world is pro obama you might consider him to have some valuable points. Points that you may even be unaware of.

Sunday, November 11, 2012

If Romney won, which he didn't thankfully. WW3 would have had happened.

Sunday, November 11, 2012

LegendarySS4 wrote : If Romney won, which he didn't thankfully. WW3 would have had happened.

Though that is likely (to many, I think), it isn't necessarily fact unless it DID happen.

Monday, November 12, 2012

LegendarySS4 wrote : If Romney won, which he didn't thankfully. WW3 would have had happened.

that's going to happen in either case if either of them don't stop sticking their nose in other countries problems

Monday, November 12, 2012

Zeth wrote :

I just wish Social Security will be gone soon, then I'd be all for universal healthcare. Right now, I'm still kind of iffy about having both.

What about older/disabled individuals that actually survive and retire off social security checks? Would you have them without shelter, food, and basic utilities? Health care isn't the only necessity for survival, after all.

Not at all, but considering that at that age, they are more of a liability, not to mention I'm going to have to pay even more taxes to cover Social Security funds that I'm not likely going to get in my check by the time I retire.

However, the elderly and the disabled are not the only ones who can receive Social Security payments. My own uncle, who has a single kidney left, and who is not terribly old or disabled, and who is very intelligent, feeds off the government, playing World of Warcraft to pass the time.

He complains that he can't do "physical work," yet he doesn't get a job that merely requires deskwork. No heavy-lifting involved. People like him use such excuses to constitute being supported by the government when they can clearly support themselves if they tried.