ZEQ2 Lite

Saturday, July 09, 2011

no reason to agree I understand Baldwin as well as I understand you guys my opinion is just the fog doesn't need to be in the map cause in the landing map where more sunny like the series

Saturday, July 09, 2011

Mima wrote : Baldwin, you did insult them first, and you shouldn't do that. Everyone can have their opinion, and you can't call them "none self-sufficient" for it.
Suckapunch... Like I said million times, this project is open sourced, and EVERYONE can help out. You do realize that those people who know how to code, map, model aren't born with that knowledge... Some may have learned it in schools, but I doubt it. They learned it here, and on some other forums. So when you say we don't know anything about it, I read it like this: "We don't wanna know anything about it, and we don't wanna help out."

Another thing:

Suckapunch wrote : it's not our fault that were not good with coding or whatever you're talking about

You are wrong. It IS your fault that you do not know how to code. When I came to this community I never expected I would learn some new things, I just wanted to play. After a while I realized I want to learn, and help out. Even though my knowledge is still waaay smaller then what I believe is okay, at least I tend to expand it always and in any way possible. So when I came here, I was like you guys "I don't know anything"... But now I do!

Suckapunch wrote : but I bet if you entered some forums about s3c they would cal you not self sufficient, and you wouldn't feel like its fair, cause it snot their fault that you get none, or don't know about it

That's the difference about this forum and some other forums.. Here, there are people willing to TEACH you about anything they know, people willing to spare their time on other people. Another thing is your own dedication.. This "game" is simply a project to find people willing to learn, expand their knowledge, and do something in OTHER projects. This isn't a real game, it's simply and experiment.

About this fog... Do you really think it's that hard to remove it? If you really wanted that fog gone, you would ask around how to do it.. Baldwin knows and he would tell you if you asked him, since his "job" here is to help other people out just like someone helped him out before that.

I hope I cleared several things up, so please DO read it all.

Mima, we don't HAVE to learn to code just because of this, maybe were not interested in it

Saturday, July 09, 2011

suckapunch wrote :
Mima, we don't HAVE to learn to code just because of this, maybe were not interested in it

Mima never said that you HAVE to learn coding.

Saturday, July 09, 2011

Mima wrote : Baldwin, you did insult them first, and you shouldn't do that. Everyone can have their opinion, and you can't call them "none self-sufficient" for it.
Suckapunch... Like I said million times, this project is open sourced, and EVERYONE can help out. You do realize that those people who know how to code, map, model aren't born with that knowledge... Some may have learned it in schools, but I doubt it. They learned it here, and on some other forums. So when you say we don't know anything about it, I read it like this: "We don't wanna know anything about it, and we don't wanna help out."

Another thing:

Suckapunch wrote : it's not our fault that were not good with coding or whatever you're talking about

You are wrong. It IS your fault that you do not know how to code. When I came to this community I never expected I would learn some new things, I just wanted to play. After a while I realized I want to learn, and help out. Even though my knowledge is still waaay smaller then what I believe is okay, at least I tend to expand it always and in any way possible. So when I came here, I was like you guys "I don't know anything"... But now I do!

Suckapunch wrote : but I bet if you entered some forums about s3c they would cal you not self sufficient, and you wouldn't feel like its fair, cause it snot their fault that you get none, or don't know about it

That's the difference about this forum and some other forums.. Here, there are people willing to TEACH you about anything they know, people willing to spare their time on other people. Another thing is your own dedication.. This "game" is simply a project to find people willing to learn, expand their knowledge, and do something in OTHER projects. This isn't a real game, it's simply and experiment.

About this fog... Do you really think it's that hard to remove it? If you really wanted that fog gone, you would ask around how to do it.. Baldwin knows and he would tell you if you asked him, since his "job" here is to help other people out just like someone helped him out before that.

I hope I cleared several things up, so please DO read it all.

sorry I do not agree on some parts , HOW come it is our fault that we do not know a certain thing ? you learned it in school different people took different subjects , even if we are willing , who is going to help us ? I don't see any tutorials around here expect for incomplete ones , iv asked Baldwin a million times to come on team viewer to help me out last year too and it was of no use so I stopped saying it , 99% are not willing to help , I'm willing to learn coding , whose going to help me ? all I did here was on my own , only Ramunas helped me and motivated me , and that's no excuse I hear it like "I messed it , you fix it"

Saturday, July 09, 2011

@Najeeb, why do we bother helping you? Google has plenty of tutorials to learn from. Come back once you gone through each of them and understand them completely.

@Everyone

Development of this game by the current developer/contributor group is not guided or affected by your whims and fancies. You can look at the development build as work done by this group for themselves and for those who want it. Nevertheless, the people who get it are in no position to demand or request any changes since this is entirely based on the ideas, needs and goals of the group only.
So henceforth, if you feel something doesn't look right in this game, edit it to fit your needs. Then upload it and share it with the people on the forum. Those who like it, will get it and play it along with you. Never ever try to tell the group what they are supposed to do. You are not in the position to do so, please get that into your head.

Saturday, July 09, 2011

najeeb wrote : sorry I do not agree on some parts , HOW come it is our fault that we do not know a certain thing ? you learned it in school different people took different subjects , even if we are willing , who is going to help us ? I don't see any tutorials around here expect for incomplete ones , iv asked Baldwin a million times to come on team viewer to help me out last year too and it was of no use so I stopped saying it , 99% are not willing to help , I'm willing to learn coding , whose going to help me ? all I did here was on my own , only Ramunas helped me and motivated me , and that's no excuse I hear it like "I messed it , you fix it"

Najeeb, I didn't learn anything in school. I NEVER had a SINGLE class about 3D/2D art or animating. I learned EVERYTHING here.

Saturday, July 09, 2011

Mima wrote :

najeeb wrote : sorry I do not agree on some parts , HOW come it is our fault that we do not know a certain thing ? you learned it in school different people took different subjects , even if we are willing , who is going to help us ? I don't see any tutorials around here expect for incomplete ones , iv asked Baldwin a million times to come on team viewer to help me out last year too and it was of no use so I stopped saying it , 99% are not willing to help , I'm willing to learn coding , whose going to help me ? all I did here was on my own , only Ramunas helped me and motivated me , and that's no excuse I hear it like "I messed it , you fix it"

Najeeb, I didn't learn anything in school. I NEVER had a SINGLE class about 3D/2D art or animating. I learned EVERYTHING here.

I've recently been learning a lot here all you have to do is ak for help =P

Saturday, July 09, 2011

I mean, Public Beta 1 wasn't the greatest, but it showed potential. Then we waited a long time for public beta 2 and we didn't get it. We got some intellectually lacking knock-off/dirty trick.

"There will not be a release today as some have expected"

You told us you were releasing Public Beta 2.

My first thought was :
Wow, we waited all this time for this shi-t. What the heck took them so long?

Sunday, July 10, 2011

Shane wrote : I mean, Public Beta 1 wasn't the greatest, but it showed potential. Then we waited a long time for public beta 2 and we didn't get it. We got some intellectually lacking knock-off/dirty trick.

"There will not be a release today as some have expected"

You told us you were releasing Public Beta 2.

My first thought was :
Wow, we waited all this time for this shi-t. What the heck took them so long?

I agree we waited so long and we got unstable crackaleo.
I would want an awser to this question:
What were you doing all this time to make such unstable game it took for you about half or maybe a year!?!??!??!!!

Sunday, July 10, 2011

elektronas wrote : What were you doing all this time to make such unstable game it took for you about half or maybe a year!?!??!??!!!

NEVER again say something like that. First of all, none of us who worked at least a bit on it made this their primary job, second there isn't "us" and "you"... If you wanted it to come out sooner you could have just helped out you know. If you don't want to help out or learn, then you have NO rights to ask such questions. Either get it that this project is just a spare time thing for most of us, and not a full time job... If you want something done, you start telling the devs to do it.. That would be a normal thing if this was a normal game. This isn't a game, it's an open-sourced project to FIND those who are willing to work on something much more important.

Sunday, July 10, 2011

Mima wrote :

elektronas wrote : What were you doing all this time to make such unstable game it took for you about half or maybe a year!?!??!??!!!

NEVER again say something like that. First of all, none of us who worked at least a bit on it made this their primary job, second there isn't "us" and "you"... If you wanted it to come out sooner you could have just helped out you know. If you don't want to help out or learn, then you have NO rights to ask such questions. Either get it that this project is just a spare time thing for most of us, and not a full time job... If you want something done, you start telling the devs to do it.. That would be a normal thing if this was a normal game. This isn't a game, it's an open-sourced project to FIND those who are willing to work on something much more important.

Alright Mima I won't... I just wanned to know...
Sorry if I insult you

Sunday, July 10, 2011

elektronas wrote : Alright Mima I won't... I just wanned to know...
Sorry if I insult you

You didn't insult me, I just dislike when someone says you did nothing in 1 year, or you did only something in 2 years.. Yes, that may be so, but it's our time, and we did as much as we could.

Sunday, July 10, 2011

Mima wrote :

elektronas wrote : Alright Mima I won't... I just wanned to know...
Sorry if I insult you

You didn't insult me, I just dislike when someone says you did nothing in 1 year, or you did only something in 2 years.. Yes, that may be so, but it's our time, and we did as much as we could.

Okay. And I have a question:
Is Public Beta 2 or something new will be released?

Sunday, July 10, 2011

That's the thing Elektronas. I don't see why you guys even ask those things.. All of you got SVN access now, so you know what's going on (or not) behind the curtains. You can at anytime update to newest revision to see if there is something new, if someone committed something, or something major happened. There isn't a secret group of developers that are working on this game. By gaining SVN access all of you can (and ARE) developers. For example, there's a Brolly in media folder. If ANY of you animated him completely, he would get ingame, and that would go to SVN as a new revision. So no, there is NO SUCH thing as Public beta 2.

Sunday, July 10, 2011

Its pointless Mima. They believe they deserve something since they wait for it. I'd say we stop bothering about these leaping lizards completely.

I think you guys would have been more happy if for Public Beta 2, you would have got just the characters and maps in Public Beta 1 right? Do let me know so I can do something about that. I'd really like this nonsense to end as soon as possible.

Sunday, July 10, 2011

suckapunch wrote : Mima, we don't HAVE to learn to code just because of this, maybe were not interested in it

Suckapunch, that's the thing. The primary goal of this "game&community" is to find people that WANT to work. Those people that aren't interested in anything except playing, they actually don't count where it matters.

Zielan wrote : Mima never said that you HAVE to learn coding.

Zielan is right, if you don't want to learn anything, it's your choice of course. But then you don't get to say something is too slow, or nobody is working, or stuff like that. Like Brad said on MULTIPLE occasions, this game is COMMUNITY DRIVEN. For those who don't know the meaning of those 2 words, it means that only YOU can make it better, and that the original developers take little to no part in it. For example, I see Samcross working on his addon pack. That is exactly what this project is all about. He is working in some way, and that is what matters.

Shane wrote : My first thought was :
Wow, we waited all this time for this shi-t. What the took them so long?

Shane, understand that people who were working on it prior to the release (a month before the release) could be counted on 1 hand. So imagine ANY project with only 5 people working on it IN THEIR SPARE TIME not as their full time job. I'm 18, so I have other matters to attend to. I have to sign up for university, I have to relax sometimes, I had to finish high school, I had to study, etc... So basically, if anyone else in the community wanted to help out, it perhaps would have gone faster. Take TRL for example. He is a brilliant artist, but he lacks free time. Imagine what he would be able to do if he had 10 days free, just to work on this. I think he could finish re-texturing all maps, characters, etc.. But he doesn't, he has exams, and they are more important then this.

ssj6vegeta wrote : recently been learning here all you have to do is ak for help =P

That's my point. Nobody EVER came to me and asked me, can you help me with rigging/animating... Even though I am not that good in it yet, I would use my spare time to help you guys out. I actually feel good about myself if I help someone out...

Edit: Just another note. Forgot to mention this... Do you really think that those who work on this game must only do that and nothing else? Don't they get some free time for playing other games? You know, I love playing games as much as you guys, so that's not stopping me from learning some new things.. And it works the other way around... All this knowledge I gained didn't stop me from playing games, and it never will. I love playing games, and I won't change that. But all of you are saying like all of us should just forget about everything else and work on this game. It's not how this works guys, sorry.

Sunday, July 10, 2011

nielsmillikan wrote : @Najeeb, why do we bother helping you? Google has plenty of tutorials to learn from. Come back once you gone through each of them and understand them completely.

@Everyone

Development of this game by the current developer/contributor group is not guided or affected by your whims and fancies. You can look at the development build as work done by this group for themselves and for those who want it. Nevertheless, the people who get it are in no position to demand or request any changes since this is entirely based on the ideas, needs and goals of the group only.
So henceforth, if you feel something doesn't look right in this game, edit it to fit your needs. Then upload it and share it with the people on the forum. Those who like it, will get it and play it along with you. Never ever try to tell the group what they are supposed to do. You are not in the position to do so, please get that into your head.

Sorry, that's bad logic. Just because this is a game consisting of contributors going by what the other developers see fit doesn't mean that the fans can't request changes or suggest something.

Sunday, July 10, 2011

Mima wrote :

suckapunch wrote : Mima, we don't HAVE to learn to code just because of this, maybe were not interested in it

Suckapunch, that's the thing. The primary goal of this "game&community" is to find people that WANT to work. Those people that aren't interested in anything except playing, they actually don't count where it matters.

Zielan wrote : Mima never said that you HAVE to learn coding.

Zielan is right, if you don't want to learn anything, it's your choice of course. But then you don't get to say something is too slow, or nobody is working, or stuff like that. Like Brad said on MULTIPLE occasions, this game is COMMUNITY DRIVEN. For those who don't know the meaning of those 2 words, it means that only YOU can make it better, and that the original developers take little to no part in it. For example, I see Samcross working on his addon pack. That is exactly what this project is all about. He is working in some way, and that is what matters.

Shane wrote : My first thought was :
Wow, we waited all this time for this shi-t. What the took them so long?

Shane, understand that people who were working on it prior to the release (a month before the release) could be counted on 1 hand. So imagine ANY project with only 5 people working on it IN THEIR SPARE TIME not as their full time job. I'm 18, so I have other matters to attend to. I have to sign up for university, I have to relax sometimes, I had to finish high school, I had to study, etc... So basically, if anyone else in the community wanted to help out, it perhaps would have gone faster. Take TRL for example. He is a brilliant artist, but he lacks free time. Imagine what he would be able to do if he had 10 days free, just to work on this. I think he could finish re-texturing all maps, characters, etc.. But he doesn't, he has exams, and they are more important then this.

ssj6vegeta wrote : recently been learning here all you have to do is ak for help =P

That's my point. Nobody EVER came to me and asked me, can you help me with rigging/animating... Even though I am not that good in it yet, I would use my spare time to help you guys out. I actually feel good about myself if I help someone out...

Edit: Just another note. Forgot to mention this... Do you really think that those who work on this game must only do that and nothing else? Don't they get some free time for playing other games? You know, I love playing games as much as you guys, so that's not stopping me from learning some new things.. And it works the other way around... All this knowledge I gained didn't stop me from playing games, and it never will. I love playing games, and I won't change that. But all of you are saying like all of us should just forget about everything else and work on this game. It's not how this works guys, sorry.

Hm. I've been waiting for this.
Mima can you teach me how to model and do stuff like that? And where to put everything what I or someone else made in the right place?(I think that would be the 1st question too but if it isn't there is another )

Monday, July 11, 2011

Damaera wrote :

nielsmillikan wrote : @Najeeb, why do we bother helping you? Google has plenty of tutorials to learn from. Come back once you gone through each of them and understand them completely.

@Everyone

Development of this game by the current developer/contributor group is not guided or affected by your whims and fancies. You can look at the development build as work done by this group for themselves and for those who want it. Nevertheless, the people who get it are in no position to demand or request any changes since this is entirely based on the ideas, needs and goals of the group only.
So henceforth, if you feel something doesn't look right in this game, edit it to fit your needs. Then upload it and share it with the people on the forum. Those who like it, will get it and play it along with you. Never ever try to tell the group what they are supposed to do. You are not in the position to do so, please get that into your head.

Sorry, that's bad logic. Just because this is a game consisting of contributors going by what the other developers see fit doesn't mean that the fans can't request changes or suggest something.

I'm afraid the fans can request changes, but not in the manner they do it here in the forums and also not insult the developers for not accepting their requests. Also, the logic your'e trying to apply doesn't fit in this scenario. The current development of this game isn't for the fans, its for the contributors themselves, they are just allowing you lazy bums access so you can learn. They are allowed to commit changes to the svn cause Zeth allowed them, there is no rule which forces them to work on this game, for you guys.

Monday, July 11, 2011

I think you guys would have been more happy if for Public Beta 2, you would have got just the characters and maps in Public Beta 1 right? Do let me know so I can do something about that. I'd really like this nonsense to end as soon as possible.

sure that sounds like a good idea put everything in beta 1

Monday, July 11, 2011

elektronas wrote :
Hm. I've been waiting for this.
Mima can you teach me how to model and do stuff like that? And where to put everything what I or someone else made in the right place?(I think that would be the 1st question too but if it isn't there is another )

First off, for modelling, there are literally hundreds of really good tutorials out there that you could peruse to learn from, you just have to be willing to actively look for them.(Some folks on this forum, I won't name names, are too lazy to do even a simple google search, which really irks me sometimes...)

If you really want to learn, find a tutorial and learn the basics of modeling, rigging, and animating, and try to apply it to something that you want to try and do. If there's something specific that you can't figure out, something that tutorials don't go over well enough to help you understand, or there's something complicated that you need help with, then you ask for assistance.

Don't expect us to just be sitting in front of our computers 24/7 waiting for someone to request a crash course through the whole 3D process through team viewer... It's actually a very time consuming process to learn, and as such, just as time consuming to teach.(I want to say it took me roughly 8-15 cumulative hours to get the hang of using all the tools to model in 3ds Max, and longer still to increase my skill level to a reasonable point... You can't just snap your fingers and become an expert.)

Even more important, is that certain steps are easier to teach if the "student" already has familiarity with most of the basic functions of the program. For example, I could tell you how to cut apart and separate your model, then tag it, to get it ready for md3 exporting, but if you don't know what the "detach" function is, or how to use the "weld" function for making the tags, it will be as if I'm speaking Namekian to you...

Now, that's not to say I'm not willing to help teach you, but you have to be willing to proactively learn on your own as well for it to mean anything.

Since I have some free time today, I think I'm going to sit down and cover some of the basics of making a character and exporting it for ZEQ2 Lite for that tutorial I was planning on making, since some folks are still fuzzy on what exactly needs to take place on exporting a character...

Monday, July 11, 2011

nielsmillikan wrote :

Damaera wrote :

nielsmillikan wrote : @Najeeb, why do we bother helping you? Google has plenty of tutorials to learn from. Come back once you gone through each of them and understand them completely.

@Everyone

Development of this game by the current developer/contributor group is not guided or affected by your whims and fancies. You can look at the development build as work done by this group for themselves and for those who want it. Nevertheless, the people who get it are in no position to demand or request any changes since this is entirely based on the ideas, needs and goals of the group only.
So henceforth, if you feel something doesn't look right in this game, edit it to fit your needs. Then upload it and share it with the people on the forum. Those who like it, will get it and play it along with you. Never ever try to tell the group what they are supposed to do. You are not in the position to do so, please get that into your head.

Sorry, that's bad logic. Just because this is a game consisting of contributors going by what the other developers see fit doesn't mean that the fans can't request changes or suggest something.

I'm afraid the fans can request changes, but not in the manner they do it here in the forums and also not insult the developers for not accepting their requests. Also, the logic your'e trying to apply doesn't fit in this scenario. The current development of this game isn't for the fans, its for the contributors themselves, they are just allowing you lazy bums access so you can learn. They are allowed to commit changes to the svn cause Zeth allowed them, there is no rule which forces them to work on this game, for you guys.

I understand what you mean, some people request changes and demand them to be made which is ridiculous and shouldn't be even responded to (in my opinion), but the way you worded it made it sound like nobody is allowed to make requests and suggestions, no matter how they word it.

Monday, July 11, 2011

nielsmillikan wrote : Its pointless Mima. They believe they deserve something since they wait for it. I'd say we stop bothering about these leaping lizards completely.

I think you guys would have been more happy if for Public Beta 2, you would have got just the characters and maps in Public Beta 1 right? Do let me know so I can do something about that. I'd really like this nonsense to end as soon as possible.

don't know why these people are saying bring the Public Beta 1 back , that's not what my statement is , what I am saying is , first you mess up the system then you tell the fans to fix it , that's no way do to it

Monday, July 11, 2011

nielsmillikan:@Najeeb, why do we bother helping you? Google has plenty of tutorials to learn from. Come back once you gone through each of them and understand them completely.

then why do we bother developing it if we you guys can't bother helping us , search google for developers , the request was not an insult by the way , you guys created a situation that way that the fans had to use a high tone

mima@ mima you told me you're self that programing is a part of you're school course , not talking about 3D or animations , all of us had to do it on our own , but you get coding lessons by Brad as well while we don't

Monday, July 11, 2011

Damaera wrote :

nielsmillikan wrote :

Damaera wrote :

nielsmillikan wrote : @Najeeb, why do we bother helping you? Google has plenty of tutorials to learn from. Come back once you gone through each of them and understand them completely.

@Everyone

Development of this game by the current developer/contributor group is not guided or affected by your whims and fancies. You can look at the development build as work done by this group for themselves and for those who want it. Nevertheless, the people who get it are in no position to demand or request any changes since this is entirely based on the ideas, needs and goals of the group only.
So henceforth, if you feel something doesn't look right in this game, edit it to fit your needs. Then upload it and share it with the people on the forum. Those who like it, will get it and play it along with you. Never ever try to tell the group what they are supposed to do. You are not in the position to do so, please get that into your head.

Sorry, that's bad logic. Just because this is a game consisting of contributors going by what the other developers see fit doesn't mean that the fans can't request changes or suggest something.

I'm afraid the fans can request changes, but not in the manner they do it here in the forums and also not insult the developers for not accepting their requests. Also, the logic your'e trying to apply doesn't fit in this scenario. The current development of this game isn't for the fans, its for the contributors themselves, they are just allowing you lazy bums access so you can learn. They are allowed to commit changes to the svn cause Zeth allowed them, there is no rule which forces them to work on this game, for you guys.

I understand what you mean, some people request changes and demand them to be made which is ridiculous and shouldn't be even responded to (in my opinion), but the way you worded it made it sound like nobody is allowed to make requests and suggestions, no matter how they word it.

Requests are fine, but outright demands are unreasonable and invariably frowned upon.

Personally, if someone made a suggestion that I thought was really awesome and wouldn't take long to implement, I'd be happy to add it. suggestions that require lots of work/time, on the other hand, are a bit trickier due to time constraints.

And Najeeb, if you're genuinely looking for help, you should know by now that there are a few of us who would actually be willing to assist you if you just asked directly. My door is always open, and while I may not assist you immediately due to my busy schedule, I can at least point you in the right direction until I can find time to assist you directly.(Several people have PMed me various questions, and I've tried my best to respond in as timely a manner as I could)

Others have asked me for help, and I've gladly assisted them as best as I could. I may not know much from the code side, but I can definitely help people on the character side.

Just ask me for help.(And be specific, don't just give me general "how do I do everything?" questions, as that's much more time consuming to answer than something like "how do I setup the tags?" which is specific enough to be easier to explain.)