ZEQ2 Lite

Saturday, January 21, 2012

LegendarySS4 wrote : Djsonic has a condition, he and Arnold told me.
So Djsonic isn't mentally lacking, just moans/argues with everybody.

So when you say condition, you mean he has some sort of social issues? Heh, I've known plenty of people like that here in Houston. They aren't bad at all, just require patience to converse with. Heck, I could be considered one of them in certain situations.

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Linkxp500 wrote :

LegendarySS4 wrote : Djsonic has a condition, he and Arnold told me.
So Djsonic isn't mentally lacking, just moans/argues with everybody.

So when you say condition, you mean he has some sort of social issues? Heh, I've known plenty of people like that here in Houston. They aren't bad at all, just require patience to converse with. Heck, I could be considered one of them in certain situations. :*laughing out loud*:

social issues? nah, rather mental issues *intense laughter*

Saturday, January 21, 2012

mcgrass wrote :

Linkxp500 wrote :

LegendarySS4 wrote : Djsonic has a condition, he and Arnold told me.
So Djsonic isn't mentally lacking, just moans/argues with everybody.

So when you say condition, you mean he has some sort of social issues? Heh, I've known plenty of people like that here in Houston. They aren't bad at all, just require patience to converse with. Heck, I could be considered one of them in certain situations. :*laughing out loud*:

social issues? nah, rather mental issues *intense laughter*

I was trying to be discrete with that term, but yeah, I knew what you meant.

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Linkxp500 wrote :

LegendarySS4 wrote : Djsonic has a condition, he and Arnold told me.
So Djsonic isn't mentally lacking, just moans/argues with everybody.

So when you say condition, you mean he has some sort of social issues? Heh, I've known plenty of people like that here in Houston. They aren't bad at all, just require patience to converse with. Heck, I could be considered one of them in certain situations. :*laughing out loud*:

You live in houston too? *brofist* Djsonic isn't half bad once you realize he's not actually doing any harm and is pretty funny :p

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Domo-Kun wrote :

Linkxp500 wrote :

LegendarySS4 wrote : Djsonic has a condition, he and Arnold told me.
So Djsonic isn't mentally lacking, just moans/argues with everybody.

So when you say condition, you mean he has some sort of social issues? Heh, I've known plenty of people like that here in Houston. They aren't bad at all, just require patience to converse with. Heck, I could be considered one of them in certain situations. :*laughing out loud*:

You live in houston too? *brofist* Djsonic isn't half bad once you realize he's not actually doing any harm and is pretty funny :p

Yeah, but it can be hard to ignore him if he starts to be discomforting. That's an issue even I deal with. I tend to discomfort a lot of people with my random comments.

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Djsonic is easily the funniest guy I have met in my life

/thread

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Linkxp500 wrote : Yeah, but it can be hard to ignore him if he starts to be discomforting. That's an issue even I deal with. I tend to discomfort a lot of people with my random comments.

That's not true, I think some are hilarious.

http://www.ZEQ2.com/lite/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4549&start=150 (you missed some :p)

Like when you were messing with Konan.

Saturday, January 21, 2012

JayREEZY wrote :

Linkxp500 wrote : Yeah, but it can be hard to ignore him if he starts to be discomforting. That's an issue even I deal with. I tend to discomfort a lot of people with my random comments.

That's not true, I think some are hilarious. :*laughing out loud*:

http://www.ZEQ2.com/lite/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4549&start=150 (you missed some :p)

Like when you were messing with Konan. :*laughing out loud*:

Yo d@wg, I heard you messing with Konan.. *laughing out loud*

Saturday, January 21, 2012

yeah Djsonic is the best. Hahah


Back on topic.

I 100% agree with Brad. As I stated before, his main reason for departing indefinitely was not because of TRL's temperately shut down. It can't be, as Brad stayed up countless nights helping him out, showing him techniques, increasing accuracy for the better.

It seem's as if though he's plentiful ungrateful of what Brad has done. Not only that, if it wasn't for Brad, he would not have even had most of those models he created, I guarantee you that, TRL would not have always been there his on side the majority time of his need, only once in a while.

So leaving under TRL's circumstances would be shameful. Not only to the user's but also to the Developers. Another thing that bugged me, how dare he belittle the community? As if he's some high powered KING. Yes it's filled with spammed threads, and silly kids, what's the difference in any community? You can never have a perfect community.

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Baldwin wrote : yeah Djsonic is the best. Hahah


Back on topic.

I 100% agree with Brad. As I stated before, his main reason for departing indefinitely was not because of TRL's temperately shut down. It can't be, as Brad stayed up countless nights helping him out, showing him techniques, increasing accuracy for the better.

It seem's as if though he's plentiful ungrateful of what Brad has done. Not only that, if it wasn't for Brad, he would not have even had most of those models he created, I guarantee you that, TRL would not have always been there his on side the majority time of his need, only once in a while.

So leaving under TRL's circumstances would be shameful. Not only to the user's but also to the Developers. Another thing that bugged me, how dare he belittle the community? As if he's some high powered KING. Yes it's filled with spammed threads, and silly kids, what's the difference in any community? You can never have a perfect community.

You can..but those Forums filled with lot of internet ego, like if you say something usual they block and remove you, just because you said the right thing. This thing called corruption. Like I'm on a website, and there's a moderator. That moderator failed 5-10x times with my uploads, he deleted it with such nonsense reason, and if I write back he doesn't react for the second or third mail because he know if he tells that to the administrator, than the administrator make him from moderator to simple user. And he don't want that. that's why he don't react.

sorry for my off story

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Baldwin wrote : yeah Djsonic is the best. Hahah


Back on topic.

I 100% agree with Brad. As I stated before, his main reason for departing indefinitely was not because of TRL's temperately shut down. It can't be, as Brad stayed up countless nights helping him out, showing him techniques, increasing accuracy for the better.

It seem's as if though he's plentiful ungrateful of what Brad has done. Not only that, if it wasn't for Brad, he would not have even had most of those models he created, I guarantee you that, TRL would not have always been there his on side the majority time of his need, only once in a while.

So leaving under TRL's circumstances would be shameful. Not only to the user's but also to the Developers. Another thing that bugged me, how dare he belittle the community? As if he's some high powered KING. Yes it's filled with spammed threads, and silly kids, what's the difference in any community? You can never have a perfect community.

you say this but you didn't get an explanation from xatoku himself and I know for a fact why he really left and he has already dropped this so why don't the rest of you just leave it?

Saturday, January 21, 2012

I doubt people will leave it if they KNOW why he left.

Saturday, January 21, 2012

you say this but you didn't get an explanation from xatoku himself and I know for a fact why he really left and he has already dropped this so why don't the rest of you just leave it?

There's no need for his explanation when everything is in the air. I can say whatever I want.

Saturday, January 21, 2012

yes you can you have a freedom of speech but why just assume why he left when there IS a real reason why he left?

So you're saying you saying why you think he left is automatically right even though it isn't?

well anyways forget it he has dropped I will just drop it as well since from what you said you wouldn't listen anyways

Saturday, January 21, 2012

ssj6vegeta wrote : yes you can you have a freedom of speech but why just assume why he left when there IS a real reason why he left?

So you're saying you saying why you think he left is automatically right even though it isn't?

well anyways forget it he has dropped I will just drop it as well since from what you said you wouldn't listen anyways

When have I ever have an assumption as to why he has left?

his main reason for departing indefinitely was not because of TRL's temperately shut down

Read . . . .

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Xatoku just left, and we don't know the reason so... yeah.

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Baldwin wrote :

ssj6vegeta wrote : yes you can you have a freedom of speech but why just assume why he left when there IS a real reason why he left?

So you're saying you saying why you think he left is automatically right even though it isn't?

well anyways forget it he has dropped I will just drop it as well since from what you said you wouldn't listen anyways

When have I ever have an assumption as to why he has left?

his main reason for departing indefinitely was not because of TRL's temperately shut down

Read . . . .

I was referring to the ungrateful statement and I knew full well that it wasn't because of TRL's departure and he was grateful he never disliked Brad he just never agreed with his actions

Sunday, January 22, 2012

Can anyone explain the true reason?

Sunday, January 22, 2012

alishan22 wrote : Can anyone explain the true reason?

you trying to act lacking?......no one knows that

Sunday, January 22, 2012

Xatoku's reasoning : http://www.pastie.org/private/xvizvvxtgprxollzryfq

My responses :

<Xatoku> I left more or less because I don't like the idea of a community being driven by such an extent by one person.

99.9% of communities online always have moderator/administrator/site owner priority over decisions. The difference between the ZEQ2-lite community and others is that we're actually a LOT more relaxed when it comes to the relationship between operators and general users. Unless significant guidelines are violated, forum purposes ignored, or specific designs jeopardized, our moderators are encouraged generally to let people express themselves how they see fit.

This is called having structure (I.e : management).
It's the backbone of any project, group, or community.

<Xatoku> In combination with our debate about the importance of development/source code/community, it was contradicting to see how poorly he composed himself when speaking to TRL.

My points made towards TRL have been nothing but technical and precise. They were fueled precisely by the designs and management structures that have been in place on this project (as a whole) for years.

I'm not sure how my composure was so poor in your mind. I used no obscenities, remained direct and punctual, and took actions only after issuing a verbal warning that went unheeded. Many forums on the internet would have simply immediately just released a user for back-talking or questioning their authority. Instead I took a rather neutral, patient, and precise approach to try and formulate some kind of reasoning or mutual understanding -- which, sadly, could not be achieved.

<Xatoku> The idea of a community was largely diminished with the end result being that everything is his call, and only his call.

There are other moderators on this site managing the community. Most are more actively involved than myself. They have been trained and taught to act accordingly and avoid applying bias over objective enforcement of the forum guidelines.

This is hardly the Third Reich you are making it out to be, Xatoku. Civility, order, and focus exist to maintain the peace and keep some semblance of structure in the community. Not only that, but it's a management process that's free to be contested and super-ceded with a superior scheme; however, until such improvements can be fully discussed, compared, and dissected, the existing methodology that's been in place for some time remains.

<Xatoku> And this attributes to why I told him to back off with Popo.
<Xatoku> Because I had to see what would happen if for the first time it wasn't his decision as the final one.

Actually, I was never told to "back off" Popo. I remember helping you nightly for several days to help you understand the comparative reference process of design. I did this because not because I needed "control" over the situation, but because I thought you could benefit from the experience of someone who has been in your shoes in the past -- only without someone like helpful myself to help out.

My goals were completely selfless and directed towards your personal growth. They were largely spat upon in disgust by your words here.

<Xatoku> Naturally, he got ticked, so that's when I knew that this guy's ego was far too inflated to try and reach with reason. And this is the guy leading a community, which is contradicting in itself.

That is incorrect. I was bewildered, yes, but never enraged by the situation. I did not understand what had occurred that was making you so distant to our productive sessions. Your logic in this situation does not even make any sense. What would I even have to possibly gain by using my limited discretionary time in passing down knowledge that I had? When did teaching someone become akin to arrogance?

<Xatoku> The idea to create a rebellion is definitely ludicrous.
<Xatoku> And I would have hoped people know that my isolated nature would prevent me from provoking such, but the sheer idea that that's what they were thinking - a rebellion - more so proves my point that the community is a lost cause.

Of course it would be a ridiculous notion that you would be instigating a rebellion. No one ever suggested that you were. I commented that it seemed like strange coincidence (which it ended up being) that your "departing" from the community was so precisely linked up to actions against TRL (which some users had assured me were not related at first).

You cannot blame others for making a similar connection if you do not explain yourself thoroughly. Moreover, you really should not be insulting the community on a whole as you have been. There is a vast range of age groups, personalities, native languages, and belief systems in our community. You cannot expect them all to behave, act, and think uniformly.

Although I know you personally may not care about how others perceive you, generalizing everyone in this community as being a "lost cause" for interpreting an easily mistakable scenario incorrectly does little to shine yourself in a positive light.

<Xatoku> Teams, bleh.

I used to be precisely like you, Xatoku. This is why I feel I can relate in all of these situations. It's why I want to invest my time in helping you grow and progress. It's why I try to pass down experiences and hardships I've had in my life so that you don't have to experience the same. I realize you don't want others interfering with how you do things. I realize you are afraid of external sources influencing how you think or view a particular situation.

If you truly must take no other words or lesson from me, at least please hear this. Teams are everything. Working together with a group of people towards a common goal not only helps you reach an end-result quickly that's more diversified, but it also helps you grow immensely as an individual.

Whatever choices you make in your life, Xatoku, don't give up on the idea of collaboration.

<Xatoku> He can justify whatever he wants by hiding behind big words, but in the end he truly cannot be reached, it's improbable.

I do not believe that utilizing a vocabulary is a bad thing. Language is diverse for a reason. It helps one convey precisely the thoughts they wish to illustrate in exactly the manner they choose.

As for effect upon myself, I am plenty reachable. I am heavily influenced by those around me that I work with. I can be changed and molded, just like anyone else, if ideas are presented in a well-laid-out and convincing manner.

<Xatoku> A debate should encourage a median, not a victor, and he fails to see this.

I not only don't fail to see it. I wholeheartedly agree with it. If you'll browse these forums or any of the dozens of IRC discussions I've participated in, you'll see that I ALWAYS encourage compromise in a discussion over one-sided victories.

It's precisely the reason polls don't exist in this forum. A middle-grounds is always encouraged over a simple democratic process where one side will inevitably lose (and thus feel cheated).

Sunday, January 22, 2012

Such ingratitude. This world vacuums.

Sunday, January 22, 2012

Why the heck did he say all that!

Sunday, January 22, 2012

because its what he saw and how he felt Why do you think he said that?

Sunday, January 22, 2012

You are right but why should he feel guilty for all this!

Sunday, January 22, 2012

was that chat done on irc?