ZEQ2 Lite

Monday, February 27, 2012

Casual players can still come here and just discuss whatever. Anyone can still play this game to heart's content!

The recent focus of the forum on clans though has to change otherwise there is no point in the forum anymore. If people want to be a "clan" on this forum, they'll have to contribute. There's plenty of other free fora where they could play war on their own.

Niels' the money was donated to Brad and Dave, they decided to use it on the forum server. Owner discussion could get very complicated and that's not really the point here.
I'm not sure why you're being so rebellious because this doesn't even affect you.

I fully support this motion.

Monday, February 27, 2012

well I think we should listen to Zeth,after all it's not our forums

so those who can contribute should contribute in every small way possible
and those who can't should direct others in the contributing direction,the least would be to the nearest tutorial topic

Monday, February 27, 2012

If I may say some things, donation is technically money given without strings attached, which means the donor accepts no responsibility for whatever is done with the money.

However, the donor has given this money out of either faith in the project or just kindness, and that calls for some form of respect for the donor, such as partial ownership. Yet, as Brad said, paying for a site once presumably does not make the donor just as essential to the project as an actual contributor.

Monday, February 27, 2012

Speaking about paying/donating.
I'm guessing the site will need to be paid this year.

Monday, February 27, 2012

Zeth wrote :

Need I remind you why the forums exist right now? I understand your role in this project and its development, yet that isn't the only thing to be taken into account.

That's not why the forum's exist. The site hosting and forums have existed long, long before that point and will exist long after. Trying to establish such power plays has consequences, Niels.

My role extends well beyond initial creation & development.

I have no intention of helping or contributing to this project since I have other work. So am I not allowed to play this game? am I not allowed to form or join groups while playing this game?

You are missing the point. It's not what you CAN do as much as what you SHOULD do. This recent set of events was about incentivizing the community and giving substance to its purpose. Don't be lazy, Niels. Even (/Especially) you have no excuses in this case by comparison. Don't try to contradict something that is so very obviously the right direction as well as the project's ENTIRE GOAL & DRIVE for making an initial public release at all.

This is out of your hands, out of your realm of knowledge, out of your scope of involvement, and out of your area of influence.

Zeth...Your making yourself out to be lloyd a little bit man. Out of your realm of knowledge? Some people can't contribute Zeth. As I said before many are just casual players looking for a good game. And sometimes when a game is good enough people start to make and join clans. But Zeth the way you talk about the game... I know you treat it like a project but now it seems like you treat it as a piece of trash. You just don't seem very grateful for what the community has done. And it is also very unnecessary to FORCE this down on people. okay sure maybe it does take a short amount of time to learn coding or modeling. Some people just can't take the time out of their lives to do that.

They may have school, work, anything someone could think up. Zeth, I know that you need people to contribute but this action may make some people leave ZEQ2 for good. I understand that we all need to unify to help you out but still this is unnecessary. Why not make a request? I'm sure the loyal and helpful community members would gladly help out. But now your forcing people to do something that many of them don't want to do.

And Zeth the way you treat the game is somewhat bad. You treat it as if though you weren't satisfied with it. You don't even call it a game. If its a project what did you intend to make the game for? I know a lot of people who are dedicated to this game. And it seems like an insult to them for you to simply call this an unfinished project, after all the dedication they have put in. I know you had huge dreams for this game Brad, but maybe you should treat it like a game for a bit, not a project a GAME.

Monday, February 27, 2012

On Topic:

Some good clans_
1. TKN
2. WS
3. for the win
4. Dragon Ball Z

Some good trainers_
1. |TKN|GokuSSJ3
2. |Dragon Ball Z|Aravind
3. |WS|LSSJBOSS
4. |for the win|XmLmX2

There are others too that trains but these are the few that are blessed with patience

I could've recommended myself too.. But now-a-days I don't get time to play. So its a difficult commitment for me

Monday, February 27, 2012

What kind of bullshizzah is that law?
I'm guessing you haven't tried to contribute because its easy as love. Your basically calling people lacking. Anyone can contribute. And that's that. No if, ands, or buts about it.
Why are you guys whining over this? I contribute here for pleasure and experience. All of this stuff will probably help me in my college and career.
You might just want to play a game but there is so much to do to improve the game. Fix it and maybe you can have a better one.

Monday, February 27, 2012

TRL wrote : Casual players can still come here and just discuss whatever. Anyone can still play this game to heart's content!

The recent focus of the forum on clans though has to change otherwise there is no point in the forum anymore. If people want to be a "clan" on this forum, they'll have to contribute. There's plenty of other free fora where they could play war on their own.

Niels' the money was donated to Brad and Dave, they decided to use it on the forum server. Owner discussion could get very complicated and that's not really the point here.
I'm not sure why you're being so rebellious because this doesn't even affect you.

I fully support this motion.

I second that :p

Honestly people, how hard is it? If you want to make/discuss/join or argue over something completely irrelevant to anyone that IS contributing, why distract them? Why not make/use your own website? Like NL has done to avoid confrontations, you should consider the people who are forced to moderate this trash and do what's best for everyone's goals...

If you disagree with what Zeth thinks THAT much and don't care about where this project goes, then why did you create an account? I'm curious because I don't understand why...

It's like coming to a Marvel comic book club and talking about Superman and DC... Nobody wants to hear it, and it will only slow them down... You're better off just starting a DC comic club... If you want another analogy, feel free to ask. I've got a million of em'.

*JayREEZY's irritated rants*The only remaining, underlying, reason forum members are irritated by clan members, is that they have the capabilities to expand on the project. Some them can even code!! Stop teasing us you clans, you going to help or not!!??

Anyway Leogone, Nimish has some leads for you regarding clans. Think about this for a while, because some clans don't like it when you leave early...

Tuesday, February 28, 2012

For the players out there, I, as well as many others, understand your concern. You aren't released for discussing the game, just from discussing your distaste for other players, and making the game seem like it matters in its current state.

All we really ask the "players" to do is to help us get this game to be better. You can do this by downloading the latest revision, and even test the new functions and rat out the bugs. I'd say it should be to playtest games. Besides, this game won't be different, per se, so much as an overhaul of the current build. We're basically trying to improve the gameplay.

It's fine for you guys to play, but to insinuate that playing the game, as of now, is more important than contributing is just selfish.

Heck, I will admit that I haven't contributed as much as I could've/should've, but I still have found some time to at least start some projects. I am not confident in my modelling skils, yet I am willing to give it a try.

This endeavor is not a lone-wolf project. People help each other out.

Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Linkxp500 wrote : For the players out there, I, as well as many others, understand your concern. You aren't released for discussing the game, just from discussing your distaste for other players, and making the game seem like it matters in its current state.

All we really ask the "players" to do is to help us get this game to be better. You can do this by downloading the latest revision, and even test the new functions and rat out the bugs. I'd say it should be to playtest games. Besides, this game won't be different, per se, so much as an overhaul of the current build. We're basically trying to improve the gameplay.

It's fine for you guys to play, but to insinuate that playing the game, as of now, is more important than contributing is just selfish.

Heck, I will admit that I haven't contributed as much as I could've/should've, but I still have found some time to at least start some projects. I am not confident in my modelling skils, yet I am willing to give it a try.

This endeavor is not a lone-wolf project. People help each other out.

okay I'll try my best. I'm learning texturing !

Tuesday, February 28, 2012

If you disagree with what Zeth thinks THAT much and don't care about where this project goes, then why did you create an account?

Your wrong here, I didn't join this site ( Well I was in the irc first for a couple of months before Forums eons ago- do remember) not to contribute but play it, so what you said there is quite wrong, as I'm sure most joined First To play THEN contribute. So please think of what you are saying next time.
Since most people, including me at first thought there was a Dev team though there isn't just a bunch of people devoted to 3D creation and Dragon Ball Z.

Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Zay wrote : What kind of bullshizzah is that law?
I'm guessing you haven't tried to contribute because its easy as love. Your basically calling people lacking. Anyone can contribute. And that's that. No if, ands, or buts about it.
Why are you guys whining over this? I contribute here for pleasure and experience. All of this stuff will probably help me in my college and career.
You might just want to play a game but there is so much to do to improve the game. Fix it and maybe you can have a better one.

Zay you have a zippy attitude you need to work on that. Secondly I never called anyone lacking. What I said was that some people may not know how to do this stuff or may not have the time for it. No need to be an buttocks over this Zay. And once again your attitude vacuums.

Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Zeth...Your making yourself out to be lloyd a little bit man. Out of your realm of knowledge? Some people can't contribute Zeth. As I said before many are just casual players looking for a good game. And sometimes when a game is good enough people start to make and join clans.

I'm no deity, but I do have experience. A LOT of it. Not just technical experience either. I know what people are capability of. I know what drives them. I know what inspires them. In the scope of a project manager or in the realm of Dragon Ball Z mechanics, yes, I do possess a degree of omnipotence. Having said that, I assure you that my mentality is normally modestly approached (rather than directed as a boast) and shoveled with a large degree of open-mindedness despite what tonality you may interpret.

If nothing else, it's important to remember that I'm almost never understood or perceived correctly on first impression.

But Zeth the way you talk about the game... I know you treat it like a project but now it seems like you treat it as a piece of trash. You just don't seem very grateful for what the community has done.

It's not a game by any definition yet. I do software and game development for a living. I can tell you this with pure sincerity. Any feeling of contention you interpret from me are merely from the games over-appreciation by certain individuals -- fanaticism for a such a minuscule feat. The only amazement to be attained from ZEQ2-lite is from its potential, not its current state.

And it is also very unnecessary to FORCE this down on people. okay sure maybe it does take a short amount of time to learn coding or modeling. Some people just can't take the time out of their lives to do that.They may have school, work, anything someone could think up.

This isn't a matter of forcing. I'm merely attempting to create purpose for those who have none in this project/community. Anyone can contribute. Anyone can make time. When the development team was active on ZEQ2, most of its users were holding down school/university/jobs/relationships/social lives and more and STILL making time to develop the project.

Your words are counter-intuitive. If someone has time to play, much less MORE time to devote to something like a clan, then they definitely have time to work and develop on something.

Zeth, I know that you need people to contribute but this action may make some people leave ZEQ2 for good. I understand that we all need to unify to help you out but still this is unnecessary. Why not make a request? I'm sure the loyal and helpful community members would gladly help out. But now your forcing people to do something that many of them don't want to do.

The only people who would leave from such a decree are exactly those that SHOULD leave.

And Zeth the way you treat the game is somewhat bad. You treat it as if though you weren't satisfied with it. You don't even call it a game. If its a project what did you intend to make the game for? I know a lot of people who are dedicated to this game. And it seems like an insult to them for you to simply call this an unfinished project, after all the dedication they have put in. I know you had huge dreams for this game Brad, but maybe you should treat it like a game for a bit, not a project a GAME.

I think there's some bewilderment in your nomenclature. Essentially anything can be a project and simultaneously exist as a game. It's not a binary switch. That said, you need to garner some appreciation for the distinction in developer dedication and that of the player. One of the two is hardly a commendable feat of prowess. One of the two hardly offers back to the world and builds upon it with a creation.

Tuesday, February 28, 2012

LegendarySS4 wrote : Your wrong here, I didn't join this site ( Well I was in the irc first for a couple of months before Forums eons ago- do remember) not to contribute but play it, so what you said there is quite wrong, as I'm sure most joined First To play THEN contribute. So please think of what you are saying next time.
Since most people, including me at first thought there was a Dev team though there isn't just a bunch of people devoted to 3D creation and Dragon Ball Z.

Wait, What do you mean "I'm wrong here?" Please clarify...I was asking a simple question, in no way was that my personal opinion or reason for joining.. Maybe YOU should think about what YOUR saying next time, muffin button

Just in case you wanted to know though.... I joined these forums to learn as much about 3D modeling and texturing, animating etc. In the comfort of an environment, roughly around my age group. I thought it was the most efficient way to learn (seeing as others on these forums have other occupations)without going to college or devoting ALL of my time to game development..

Wednesday, February 29, 2012

JayREEZY wrote :

LegendarySS4 wrote : Your wrong here, I didn't join this site ( Well I was in the irc first for a couple of months before Forums eons ago- do remember) not to contribute but play it, so what you said there is quite wrong...

Wait, What do you mean "I'm wrong here?"

Well, you aren't really wrong at all. Even Legendary would've noticed after spending about .002 minutes when the active contributors were around that the focus was on developing and not play.

Probably a rephrase of "If you disagree with what Zeth thinks THAT much and don't care about where this project goes, then why do you persist? Why, Mr. Anderson? Why?"

I don't think it really matters how, when, or why any of us really joined. We're here now, and that's what matters The push has been made, and most of the complaints at this point just seem like a general sense of buttocks-hurt, or complaining just for the sake of it. We're a community, and we'll just have to play nice together, work together, and (dare I say it?) contribute together

Thursday, March 01, 2012

I think I am slightly responsible for starting this mess.I apologize for going off-topic and for posting the nonsense.
After reading the logs from Zeth and printes what I got was "Either contribute or All the clans'll be kicked".
Now I am not so sure but I think its more like "Contribute or you may never have a game ".

Thursday, March 01, 2012

Wolverine wrote : Now I am not so sure but I think its more like "Contribute or you may never have a game ".

This is EXACTLY what the message was. Playing the build for fun is fine, but it doesn't help make it better.

That's all we've been trying to say. Brad isn't forcing anyone to do anything. He is urging us to do so by removing distractions like clans and their lack of focus on what's more important.

Thursday, March 01, 2012

You guys still talking about this?

Thursday, March 01, 2012

if you haven't noticed I am a lonely wolf also.I ENJOY IT

Thursday, March 01, 2012

SSJ8Gogeta wrote : if you haven't noticed I am a lonely wolf also.I ENJOY IT

The term is "Lone Wolf!"

Thursday, March 01, 2012

*facepalm* the term is facepalm!*intense laughter*

Friday, March 02, 2012

SSJ8Gogeta wrote : *facepalm* the term is facepalm!*intense laughter*

There's no need to mock me.