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Tuesday, July 24, 2012

Zay wrote : I completely dislike Batman.
People say he is the most realistic hero...
Which is complete bull stuff.
There is no possible way a billionaire can up and go learn a bunch of martial arts get a loving jet a boat and all that tech and no one knows who he is!
How the heck did he get all that stuff in that cave without any loving help?
I don't care if he doesn't have powers... He is the easiest kill in the Justice league...
Every marvel hero can kill Batman... and villains.

Still more realistic than random aliens or mutants with superpowers.

And Batman has a much darker story than most heroes. In fact, you can't really say he's actually a hero but an anti-hero.

Tuesday, July 24, 2012

He isn't a hero. He's a silent guardian.. A watchful protector.. A dark knight.

Tuesday, July 24, 2012

Mima wrote : He isn't a hero. He's a silent guardian.. A watchful protector.. A dark knight.

nope that's the grey ghost.......he da real realistic hero

edit-awwww no one knows grey ghost?

Tuesday, July 24, 2012

I don't care if he doesn't have powers... He is the easiest kill in the Justice league...
Every marvel hero can kill Batman... and villains.

Physical power/capability is not everything. Batman is more about ingenuity, strategy, and application of knowledge. In root, he's more of a detective/strategist with a sort of Sun Tzu/Holmes vibe than anything else. In your scenario, not only would he likely know the identity of his combatants (including allies), but he also would be aware of their origins, history in general, and (within practical reason) weaknesses/flaws. For instance, while they would ever fight, you can bet that Batman probably keeps some Kryptonite on hand just in case Superman goes bonkers.

This level of alertness and forethought implies that he'd be fully aware of ill-intentions against himself or others close to him well before anything occurred -- thus allowing time to formulate a course of action.

Tuesday, July 24, 2012

Zeth wrote :
you can bet that Batman probably keeps some Kryptonite on hand just in case Superman goes bonkers.

Tuesday, July 24, 2012

ESFER25 wrote :

Zay wrote : I completely dislike Batman.
People say he is the most realistic hero...
Which is complete bull stuff.
There is no possible way a billionaire can up and go learn a bunch of martial arts get a loving jet a boat and all that tech and no one knows who he is!
How the heck did he get all that stuff in that cave without any loving help?
I don't care if he doesn't have powers... He is the easiest kill in the Justice league...
Every marvel hero can kill Batman... and villains.

Still more realistic than random aliens or mutants with superpowers.

And Batman has a much darker story than most heroes. In fact, you can't really say he's actually a hero but an anti-hero.

Deadpool?
Wolverine?
Spiderman?
Hulk?
All these people... Worse life than Mr. Wayne
Deadpoo.... doesn't know his real name or past... Is chaotic and can kill Bruce.
Wolverine.... Killed his father and didn't know it was his until after he died. Then his mother killed herself in depression. Then loses his memory after surviving 4 wars. And still has ptsd.
Spiderman... Parents killed before he could remember... Baisically let his uncle die because he was tinkled cause he couldn't get his milk ... His girlfriend(Gwen) was killed by the Goblin... His best friend Eddy Brock was trying to kill him after he found a suit to consume him that peters father made.
I like this one... Hulk... He can not have his heart rate go above 200 or he becomes
a monster... That means no sex or anything enjoyable... Being chased by the army and was sent to another planet by his own team THAT HE CONQUERED.
Batman can't kill any of these people.
Not just because he won't also because he can't... And don't think just because hulk turns to bruce banner that he is weak... He shot himself to end it all and turned into the hulk and spit the bullet out.. Baisically he is almost invulnerable...

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Mima wrote : He isn't a hero. He's a silent guardian.. A watchful protector.. A dark knight.

Actually he is a detective.

edit:You can say that he is a protector but he is a man of his job.

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Again, Zay, he isn't meant to be stronger than them. Like Esfer said, he isn't a hero. And his story is more realistic than any other. He doesn't have superpowers, he can't do something an ordinary man can't. Yes, he has advanced technology, but if an ordinary human had that kind of technology (which is still more realistic than superpowers), they could be Batman as well.

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Mima wrote : Again, Zay, he isn't meant to be stronger than them. Like Esfer said, he isn't a hero. And his story is more realistic than any other. He doesn't have superpowers, he can't do something an ordinary man can't. Yes, he has advanced technology, but if an ordinary human had that kind of technology (which is still more realistic than superpowers), they could be Batman as well.

I think this is why my favorite Marvel character has always been Frank Castle. I've never followed his story closely, but probably more closely than any other comic-book hero. I always liked him a lot more than Batman, but I'm not interested in arguing that any superhero is better or worse than another, it's just personal preference.

Batman and the Punisher both fit into that category of not being superheroes, or heroes at all, for that matter. It makes them more interesting, partially because, while the challenges we face in the day-to-day would be easy for them, I don't have to pit them against Godzilla(who'd win anyway) to get some suspense.

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

pretty much like Iron man but more mysterious than cool and a show-off

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Zay wrote : I completely dislike Batman
Batman can't kill any of these people.
Not just because he won't also because he can't... And don't think just because hulk turns to bruce banner that he is weak... He shot himself to end it all and turned into the hulk and spit the bullet out.. Baisically he is almost invulnerable...

1:you are discomforting

2:you said it , you dislike Batman m so you are biased

3: bat man can kill every single one of you listed , he is stronger than spider man , he is at a human physical and mental peak , his suit is no normal suit and above all he got the tech to do so , the hulk can be hurt at some point

4: I disagree , Batman is NOT in the punisher's category , at the end bat man is a hero in the dark

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

I never really liked Batman, his only power is unlimited money.
His methods are silly,if you want to clean up your city Should you start some rehab centers, soup kitchens, free clinics, low income housing, or other self-funded social programs? Or do you dress up as a rodent and terrorize petty drug dealers?
I mean he is a rich dude,he has his own coprporation,have awesome/latest gadgets/equipment,and he uses that to beat up on street level crime,he doesn't mess with industrials,super capitalist...
His villains are l4me:Clowns, crocodiles, obese midgets, and walking refrigerators.I don't know all that concept doesn't work for me. : )

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Zay wrote : *It's clear that Zay dislikes Batman*

It's okay to dislike him, but why make inflammatory statements just to incite an argument? No need to fuel fires, it just causes more pile-up in here, and it's already bad enough

najeeb wrote :
I disagree , Batman is NOT in the punisher's category , at the end bat man is a hero in the dark

I wasn't really trying to say that they're on a 1:1 ratio. And you're really right to disagree. You'll have to forgive me for not clarifying that one a little more. I'm just more readily able to identify the two of them as perhaps not equals, but at least similar, for a few reasons. Their constant use of darkness, technology, lack of superpowers, and the struggle to break free of their need for vengeance(which Bruce Wayne seems to have conquered on some levels, while Frank Castle rather embraced it, thus developing deeper and deeper psychological conflict).

Both are fairly brilliant tacticians, trained in various forms of combat, disguise, have access to better-than-standard technology, and while I'd argue that Bruce Wayne is probably at a greater advantage in physical offense and defense, as well as other areas, it doesn't (for me) destroy the Punisher's credibility as a Night-time vigilante.

In fact, the two differences that really lend to the great contrast between them are the previously mentioned issues with vengeance, as well as their approach toward handling their identities.

nielsmillikan wrote : pretty much like Iron man but more mysterious than cool and a show-off

Heh, I think aside from my personal comparison of Batman to the Punisher, Batman to Ironman is probably the next closest DC/Marvel comparison I'd make. But you're right

najeeb wrote :
you are discomforting

This post is discomforting, as well. You both tend to over-passionately impose your opinions, although I've noticed an improvement from you sometimes.

najeeb wrote :
3: bat man can kill every single one of you listed , he is stronger than spider man , he is at a human physical and mental peak , his suit is no normal suit and above all he got the tech to do so , the hulk can be hurt at some point

To steer this less toward you and back toward a bit of discussion, I'm not sure whether I can disagree or agree with you here, but I tend to feel like in the physical prowess department alone, ole Peter Parker would win out. It's just hard to say, really. When you factor in Batman's suit? You might be right there, although I was never aware of any strength-augmenting properties(not to say they don't exist) so forgive me if I'm just ill-informed. I would say that Bruce Wayne's strength is greater than the norm, but is it really a match-up for super strength?

najeeb wrote :
you said it , you dislike Batman m so you are biased

Aren't we all? If you meet a person who's at a complete and 100% "true neutral", let me know! I'm not intending for this to sound like an attack toward you, Jeebzey(or Zay either), but rather towards everyone, so we don't have to see every thread where someone who has an opinion that contradicts another feels the need to force-feed it to everyone else.

Or maybe we do, and if so, excardon me. I keep forgetting that this is the free forum and sewage is the norm here, and perhaps I need to put up a sticky note to remind myself to eschew them completely.

By the way, a good eraser or some white-out would spell certain doom for even the most hearty of these heroes!

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Skatter wrote :

Zay wrote : *It's clear that Zay dislikes Batman*

It's okay to dislike him, but why make inflammatory statements just to incite an argument? No need to fuel fires, it just causes more pile-up in here, and it's already bad enough

najeeb wrote :
I disagree , Batman is NOT in the punisher's category , at the end bat man is a hero in the dark

I wasn't really trying to say that they're on a 1:1 ratio. And you're really right to disagree. You'll have to forgive me for not clarifying that one a little more. I'm just more readily able to identify the two of them as perhaps not equals, but at least similar, for a few reasons. Their constant use of darkness, technology, lack of superpowers, and the struggle to break free of their need for vengeance(which Bruce Wayne seems to have conquered on some levels, while Frank Castle rather embraced it, thus developing deeper and deeper psychological conflict).

Both are fairly brilliant tacticians, trained in various forms of combat, disguise, have access to better-than-standard technology, and while I'd argue that Bruce Wayne is probably at a greater advantage in physical offense and defense, as well as other areas, it doesn't (for me) destroy the Punisher's credibility as a Night-time vigilante.

In fact, the two differences that really lend to the great contrast between them are the previously mentioned issues with vengeance, as well as their approach toward handling their identities.

nielsmillikan wrote : pretty much like Iron man but more mysterious than cool and a show-off

Heh, I think aside from my personal comparison of Batman to the Punisher, Batman to Ironman is probably the next closest DC/Marvel comparison I'd make. But you're right

najeeb wrote :
you are discomforting

This post is discomforting, as well. You both tend to over-passionately impose your opinions, although I've noticed an improvement from you sometimes.

najeeb wrote :
3: bat man can kill every single one of you listed , he is stronger than spider man , he is at a human physical and mental peak , his suit is no normal suit and above all he got the tech to do so , the hulk can be hurt at some point

To steer this less toward you and back toward a bit of discussion, I'm not sure whether I can disagree or agree with you here, but I tend to feel like in the physical prowess department alone, ole Peter Parker would win out. It's just hard to say, really. When you factor in Batman's suit? You might be right there, although I was never aware of any strength-augmenting properties(not to say they don't exist) so forgive me if I'm just ill-informed. I would say that Bruce Wayne's strength is greater than the norm, but is it really a match-up for super strength?

najeeb wrote :
you said it , you dislike Batman m so you are biased

Aren't we all? If you meet a person who's at a complete and 100% "true neutral", let me know! I'm not intending for this to sound like an attack toward you, Jeebzey(or Zay either), but we don't have to see every thread with you guys in it turn to arguing, usually with each other

Or maybe we do, and if so, excardon me. I keep forgetting that this is the free forum and sewage is the norm here, and perhaps I need to put up a sticky note to remind myself to eschew them completely.

By the way, a good eraser or some white-out would spell certain doom for even the most hearty of these heroes!

1: I don't like to argue when I'm hating on another character , I am 100% neutral here , but zay is irritating because he always ends up saying lacking stuff with out the power to back it up that's all I'm going o say

2: show me the threads where I end up arguing with zay , that only happened in the multiverse thread , and only once because he literally abused me only because I disagreed

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

najeeb wrote : [3: bat man can kill every single one of you listed , he is stronger than spider man

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey! Don't overdo it there man! Batman isn't anywhere close to Spiderman's strength at all. If I remember correctly, Spiderman can lift up to 10 tons (just him, no symbiote or anything else), he can easily throw objects such cars at his opponents.

heck, I even doubt Batman could easily defeat Spiderman. Sure, he's a genious and always has a trick up his sleeve, but Spiderman isn't less intelligent and his spider sense can predict pretty much every Batman's attacks.

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

najeeb wrote :
1: I don't like to argue when I'm hating on another character , I am 100% neutral here , but zay is irritating because he always ends up saying lacking stuff with out the power to back it up that's all I'm going o say

Well, it's always slightly irritating to see disrespect just because of disagreement. I understand where you're coming from, I'd just like to see both of you (as well as everyone else) disagreeing agreeably

najeeb wrote :
2: show me the threads where I end up arguing with zay , that only happened in the multiverse thread , and only once because he literally abused me only because I disagreed

I won't start digging through the forums, since you used in example the posts I was thinking of. I feel like I remember more, but that could've just been the IRC, since I do remember it happening there for a period of time. I'll adjust my previous post accordingly, and I apologize. *and edited*

Still it wasn't to call you two out specifically, just to try and get the peoples of the forum to unite in realization that inflammatory arguing about what character, conceived of ink, paper, and imagination, is stronger than another, conceived of the same medium is not nearly as constructive as some of the lighter-hearted discussion, discussion that while, perhaps in disagreement, could lead to understanding, friendship, and much less filth in the free forums

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

ESFER25 wrote :

najeeb wrote : [3: bat man can kill every single one of you listed , he is stronger than spider man

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey! Don't overdo it there man! Batman isn't anywhere close to Spiderman's strength at all. If I remember correctly, Spiderman can lift up to 10 tons (just him, no symbiote or anything else), he can easily throw objects such cars at his opponents.

heck, I even doubt Batman could easily defeat Spiderman. Sure, he's a genious and always has a trick up his sleeve, but Spiderman isn't less intelligent and his spider sense can predict pretty much every Batman's attacks.

I doubt spider man can lift 10 tons that's 10000kg
and defeat not only depends on sheer strength but also technology

he even has the info to destroy every single member of the JLU , which was also stolen and used by others to kill the JLU in a episode , who says he can't figure spider mans weaknesses and prepare some sort of a drug or weapon for him

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

It's true that Batman probably can't kill any of those heroes mentioned above, but this topic isn't talkinb about who is stronger, it's about the movie "The Dark Knight Rises".. And like we said before MANY times, he isn't a classic hero.

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Mima wrote : It's true that Batman probably can't kill any of those heroes mentioned above, but this topic isn't talkinb about who is stronger, it's about the movie "The Dark Knight Rises".. And like we said before MANY times, he isn't a classic hero.

then again you are not taking his research and technology into account

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

najeeb wrote :
then again you are not taking his research and technology into account

Still no match for Spidey.

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

najeeb wrote : I doubt spider man can lift 10 tons that's 10000kg

Then again, spiderman has superhuman strength.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3853/813119-webbing2_super.jpg

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ppsm98-3.jpg

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http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ppsm98-5.jpg

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^This one is ultimate cos I have that comic

and defeat not only depends on sheer strength but also technology

Spiderman has used serveral armors and gadgets in the comics, most of them created by himself. This one is one of the lastest, I think: http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/c/ce/Spider-Man's_Anti-Sinister_Six_Suit_from_Amazing_Spider-Man_Vol_1_682.JPG

he even has the info to destroy every single member of the JLU , which was also stolen and used by others to kill the JLU in a episode , who says he figure spider mans weaknesses and prepare some sort of a drug or weapon for him

Spiderman doesn't have such weaknesses as kryptonite. His (sometimes) childish behaviour could be considered a weakness, though.

Wednesday, July 25, 2012

and a way to ruin a thread

lets get back to the darkknight

Thursday, July 26, 2012

1.*Batman series is the best superhero trilogy PERIOD

Thursday, July 26, 2012

Wolverine wrote : 1.*Batman series is the best superhero trilogy PERIOD

I definitely like the direction the first two movies took(haven't yet seen the third) <-- Although I felt they were a bit "too busy" or had more going on than I could appreciate at the time. It's almost like when you go to a large banquet and eat too much, and you just have to come home and lie down for a while. There was just a lot to digest in each movie

I'm sure the third will be even moreso, but who can tell!? Still, and this is no attempt to de-rail the thread, but I'd love to see more of this quality taken with (super)heroes I am more invested in

Saturday, July 28, 2012

well guys I just saw the movie.......it was very nice but I liked the 2nd movie more it was more Batman style
the 3rd movie was more like a war movie and surprisingly I felt this movie was long

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