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Monday, October 08, 2012

Personally I don't like it at all.

For me scooter makes a better show + beat. But to each his own I suppose.

Monday, October 08, 2012

najeeb wrote : bon jovi
acdc
bob marley
pink Floyd


to name a few , that is music

I dislike that attitude: "Respect music, but only what I enjoy is actual music!"

Not see much?

Postscript: I'll never understand what's good about Bon Jovi.

Monday, October 08, 2012

If we are talking about music that we don't like, I'd like to say that rap is horrible in my personal opinion. Unfortunately, it's because of the lyrics (and somewhat the beat), so I'm sure Brad will invalidate my opinion just for that.

Monday, October 08, 2012

Linkxp500 wrote : If we are talking about music that we don't like, I'd like to say that rap is horrible in my personal opinion. Unfortunately, it's because of the lyrics (and somewhat the beat), so I'm sure Brad will invalidate my opinion just for that.

Brad can't invalidate anyone's opinion. He COULD counter-strike with a load of facts about how he thinks it's incorrect, but even if he's right, opinions can be upheld even againts facts. That's the sole reason he dislikes opinions, I think.

Monday, October 08, 2012

Maszek wrote :

Linkxp500 wrote : If we are talking about music that we don't like, I'd like to say that rap is horrible in my personal opinion. Unfortunately, it's because of the lyrics (and somewhat the beat), so I'm sure Brad will invalidate my opinion just for that.

Brad can't invalidate anyone's opinion. He COULD counter-strike with a load of facts about how he thinks it's incorrect, but even if he's right, opinions can be upheld even againts facts. That's the sole reason he dislikes opinions, I think.

Actually, opinions can be invalidated because they are not relative to reality, only perception. One cannot say that two opinions that directly contradict one another are both completely accurate or completely true.

That is why Brad tends to value facts over opinion. Facts are something we can measure universally and accurately.

In the case that opinions overrule lone facts, well, you have to admit that those opinions utilize reasoning to conclude a certain result, which is also utilized by facts, though facts do not contain any form of emotional strength.

This is the art of Rhetoric, in which one uses Logos, Pathos, and Ethos to persuade others to believe what the speaker believes.

(Ha! Had a Brad moment right there, I believe. )

Monday, October 08, 2012

Why people going off-topic? Just enjoy Gangnam style people.

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, SEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXXXXXXXYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY LADDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Monday, October 08, 2012

Brad can't invalidate anyone's opinion. He COULD counter-strike with a load of facts about how he thinks it's incorrect, but even if he's right, opinions can be upheld even againts facts. That's the sole reason he dislikes opinions, I think.

As Bucky explained, an opinion cannot be measured, quantified, or relatively compared to accomplish resolution or progress. I do not dislike opinions, no, I merely realize that on their own their value is nothing.

Don't be mistaken. Objective observations are not the same thing as opinions. Where-in an opinion is formed from personal experience (and thus largely bias), objectivity through analysis is a catalyst to facts, new ideas, and creativity itself.

Monday, October 08, 2012

I never said I respect all sort of music esfer25 , I am a guy not a bot I have my likes and dislikes


also , I never intended to start a argument guys :p chill

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

I never said I respect all sort of music

That's the point. There's no reason not to.
You signify yourself as close-minded otherwise.

I am a guy not a bot. I have my likes and dislikes

You believe having a collectively shared concept of perspective with others makes you an individual? Ironically, opinions make you more of a bot than anything else; such a tidy way to summarize, group, and classify your character.

also , I never intended to start a argument guys :p chill

These kinds of conversations are exactly what a forum is all about. They are its essence. Otherwise, we'd be in a stagnate place void of forward thinking and filled with monotony.

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

Zeth wrote :

Brad can't invalidate anyone's opinion. He COULD counter-strike with a load of facts about how he thinks it's incorrect, but even if he's right, opinions can be upheld even againts facts. That's the sole reason he dislikes opinions, I think.

As Bucky explained, an opinion cannot be measured, quantified, or relatively compared to accomplish resolution or progress. I do not dislike opinions, no, I merely realize that on their own their value is nothing.

Don't be mistaken. Objective observations are not the same thing as opinions. Where-in an opinion is formed from personal experience (and thus largely bias), objectivity through analysis is a catalyst to facts, new ideas, and creativity itself.

I think I didn't express myself well. What I was saying is, the guy with the opinion can uphold his opinion FOR HIMSELF even if he knows it's invalid to everyone else.

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

Zeth wrote :

I never said I respect all sort of music

That's the point. There's no reason not to.
You signify yourself as close-minded otherwise.

I am a guy not a bot. I have my likes and dislikes

You believe having a collectively shared concept of perspective with others makes you an individual? Ironically, opinions make you more of a bot than anything else; such a tidy way to summarize, group, and classify your character.

also , I never intended to start a argument guys :p chill

These kinds of conversations are exactly what a forum is all about. They are its essence. Otherwise, we'd be in a stagnate place void of forward thinking and filled with monotony.

bots do not like or dislike , close minded or not I stated what I felt towards a thing

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

my lloyd.....this thread was about gangnam style

too many too long; didn't read going on right now

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

I think I didn't express myself well. What I was saying is, the guy with the opinion can uphold his opinion FOR HIMSELF even if he knows it's invalid to everyone else.

What you're talking about is perception reduced to a limited scope of self. Anyone can choose to believe anything about anything, but that hardly makes their points of view have any comparative or useful value outside of their self-scope. Since these thoughts can vary to accommodate any abstract notion, there is no logical means to give weight to them. Without measure, there lacks purpose.

Your fundamental idea of having protected and preserved opinions that are always justifiable is perfectly sound, but undone the moment you utter them to the world. This is due to several definitions with how information and the concept of shared ideas work. In regards to sharing (an action in which ideas are spread), you either indirectly acknowledge that your words have worth in some conceivable manner to the listener OR you acknowledge that you are propagating nonsense. The former is rather broad and accommodating if you have some form of basis while the latter is what prevents (or causes) rantings of the misinformed/insane to become widespread gospel.

bots do not like or dislike , close minded or not I stated what I felt towards a thing

If you are truly bringing motions of 'feelings' into play despite the definitive-ness of such an intellectual debate, then the argument is not really a matter of man or machine as much as being primal versus evolved.

Nothing is fixed. Humans have capacity for limitless growth. Anything, including our nature itself, can always be replaced by superior adaptations.

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

they showed this on BBC World News and on psn store

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

ssj6vegeta wrote : my lloyd.....this thread was about gangnam style

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

Well as funny as it is, oppa gangam style (the song) vacuums...

If you don't think I have a valid reason for saying it's bad, imagine the song with no lyrics and no visuals...

Is it still good?

If not, then the song vacuums (which is why I listen to BGM's all the time).

ssj6vegeta wrote : my lloyd.....this thread was about gangnam style

But you're right. This thread isn't about how "good" the song is, is it? We came here because it makes the majority of us laugh, and that will always suffice.

GWAAH! There it is again! Sorry... Something about Zeth entering threads make me think... a little too much!

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

It seems as though the argument between both sides of Opinion versus Fact and Human versus Bot keeps throwing the same points at one another.

Saying that you can overrule logic with opinion for your own self is actually nothing at all. You can't really call that something unless you are able to communicate that same way of thinking to someone else who willingly conforms to that idea.

It's like saying you are the best at being yourself. No one cares to be exactly like you (unless they've no brain of their own, in which case they can only imitate your actions) and no one has the same mindset as anyone else, so maybe they think you could be better at being yourself. Or maybe some would think they are better than you.

In this way, opinion has absolutely no weight unless the idea is shared and accepted by others. And the only way people will accept different ideas is if you use Rhetoric, which utilizes reason all over to persuade others to accept the change.

Yes, Rhetoric utilizes Pathos, or emotional appeal, but in a way, that appeal is manipulated (you have to concentrate on the perfect way to convey a strong persuasive effect) that does not necessarily have such a large impact even on yourself. This requires that you use reason to judge just how strong the appeal needs to be, without it coming across as unimportant or far too obvious. The goal of Rhetoric is to make the audience think, and to manipulate their thoughts to think what you want them to think.

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

I don't know 'bout you guys, but a human arguing in favor of bots sounds incredibly lacking to me.


Opinions are inherently human. We need them for the times we have to make quick decisions, or to decide which information we register and which we just ignore. It's a way to organize or brain. Whenever we make a thought we can't go through every possible information there is about the subject, because in fact we are not computers, we're humans, so we use preexisting notions that exist in our head to come up with a result more quickly.

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

Ehhhh, you guys need to relax and not go off-topic. Just watch the slam video peooopleeee

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

LegendarySS4 wrote : Ehhhh, you guys need to relax and not go off-topic. Just watch the slam video peooopleeee

That's why I ended the discussion right there.

Besides gangnam style has enough views as it is... Well, okey, maybe this one last time! wop wop

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

TRL wrote :

LegendarySS4 wrote : Ehhhh, you guys need to relax and not go off-topic. Just watch the slam video peooopleeee

That's why I ended the discussion right there.

Besides gangnam style has enough views as it is... Well, okey, maybe this one last time! wop wop

Ill go back to watching the sandwich vid.

As for the whole debate.

Are you guys really arguing facts VS opinion when it comes to music?

Banging 2 rocks together while someone else is hitting a tree with a stick can already be a form of music. If its good or not is irrelevant, because someone will end up liking it. Everything about music is opinion based. that's why we feel hyped when listening to one song and feel totally bummed when listening to another. Its a mixture of your owh thought process, opinion and current emotional state that give us our taste of music.

Facts have nothing to do when it comes to this topic as everything can be classed as music, regardless of how simple or lacking it may seem.

Tuesday, October 09, 2012

If you don't think I have a valid reason for saying it's bad, imagine the song with no lyrics and no visuals...

Is it still good?

It can be, yes. This is what I meant about abstracting out the composition and not just hearing a single adaptation. An instrument swap to this and you easily have an RPG track with commonly used motifs.

Ehhhh, you guys need to relax and not go off-topic. Just watch the slam video peooopleeee

This thread (and entire forum) would be utterly pointless without some form of objectivity and merited discussion. There are plenty of sites and existing places to go online for link sharing of popular concepts. The difference made by posting it here is that extended dialog exchanges can occur about the contents.

If you don't want an involved discussion to take place, don't post on a forum.

Opinions are inherently human.

And why do you believe an opinion constitutes what is human? Besides fictional lore/media saying it's how things are, from what do you derive this notion?

We need them for the times we have to make quick decisions, or to decide which information we register and which we just ignore. It's a way to organize or brain. Whenever we make a thought we can't go through every possible information there is about the subject, because in fact we are not computers, we're humans, so we use preexisting notions that exist in our head to come up with a result more quickly.

I think you've gotten your nomenclature in a twist. Analyzing a situation and taking information/actions based on the data you have is the called rational thinking. An opinion is when you accept this perception as being relative truth and attempt to spread it to others without your original conjectures brought up. By not substantiating your expression, you basically provide a hollow, unsupported comment with ZERO value to anyone.

Are you guys really arguing facts VS opinion when it comes to music?

It's not an argument just pertaining to music.
My points relate to reality/life as a whole.

If its good or not is irrelevant, because someone will end up liking it. Everything about music is opinion based. that's why we feel hyped when listening to one song and feel totally bummed when listening to another. Its a mixture of your owh thought process, opinion and current emotional state that give us our taste of music.

I've a feeling you may have just skimmed this thread. This discussion largely isn't about whether or not the combinations of events in your life have constituted a relative perception of like/dislike. No, the discussion is about the value (or lack thereof) of shoveling your views bluntly without any concrete reasoning to their existence.

The difference between the presentation of an opinion and an informed perspective is merely a matter of supporting your claims (often in an objective manner).

Wednesday, October 10, 2012

in the end all of that is just another opinion , from you

Wednesday, October 10, 2012

in the end all of that is just another opinion , from you

If the statement I made were actually opinion, it would not be supported by tangible analysis and comprehensive logic -- as it is. It is merely an informed perspective. One, by which, I acknowledge as existing but do not actually hold in a personal regard. Since you did not provide any form of deductive reasoning or validation for your own statement, it, rather ironically, is an opinion itself.

Do you see the distinction yet?

Wednesday, October 10, 2012

In scientific research there can be contradicting opinions based on facts. It's just a matter of which facts you select. There is no universal truth, unless maybe for math and physics.