ZEQ2 Lite

Monday, February 06, 2012

If this continues , I think Zeth will abolish all clans and servers. Maybe even the entire free forums. That is something we don't want as players.

Monday, February 06, 2012

Wolverine wrote : If this continues , I think Zeth will abolish all clans and servers. Maybe even the entire free forums. That is something we don't want as players.

I don't think they understand, we've tried everything.

All we can do now, is let nature take it's course on them...

Monday, February 06, 2012

Wolverine wrote : If this continues , I think Zeth will abolish all clans and servers. Maybe even the entire free forums. That is something we don't want as players.

The game isn't even fully playable yet. There shouldn't be any players. There should only be developers.

Monday, February 06, 2012

The game is enjoyable even if it is incomplete. But for guys like me? I am an entire uninformed participator in modelling , texturing or anything else for that matter. How can I think of contributing? The only thing I can associate myself with this game is as a player.

@jay nature = Brad ? *intense laughter*

Monday, February 06, 2012

Wolverine wrote : But for guys like me? I am an entire uninformed participator in modelling , texturing or anything else for that matter. How can I think of contributing?

All you need to do is look at tutorials, be willing to learn, and above all else, be able to enjoy that field. You never know any of these until you take an adequate amount of time to try.

I've delved into programming, and I find it interesting because the coder chooses the method for an in-game event to happen. And only that coder would know how to change it.

A texturer would look at the script and say "too long; didn't read." A modeler would say, "where's the art in that?" In order for you to be good at something, you must at least give it a try.

I'm saying that there are other ways of contributing than scripting, modeling, texturing, and mapping. You are not limited in choices. This same advice goes for anyone with the same argument.

Monday, February 06, 2012

Zeth wrote : Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but all of you people who try and play ZEQ2-lite rather than improve yourself, develop, and expand on ideas have amounted your time to absolutely nothing. That includes every clan and every self-proposed champion/ranking expert.

The thing is: I don´t want to be a developer. I am a final consumer of your game. So why do I need to care about developing anyway? I don´t know how to make characters, maps, or how to program anything. All I want to do is relax and play.

I know you THINK you've amounted to a degree of accomplishment, but the fact remains that there is no game yet. All of these game systems you've mastered? They mean nothing. They'll probably all change. 100%. Simply slapped together placeholders to show an idea. I created these systems. I can state this with fact.

IF there is no game, why you released it to the public??
This build is way better than the Public Shittty 1. And the new build will probably be better. However, as a normal player, WHO JUST PLAYS THE GAME, I don´t really think I waste my time improving my skills in your game.

So what if you will change it? New build, new bugs, a real fresh start. And maybe people will help it more.
But seriously, my life doesn´t depends of it.
I have a good job at my hometown, and I try to protect consumers like me. That´s what I really like to do, and not beeing a developer.

The question is: Why you treat us like that? Who do you think you are? If you don´t know, let me tell you:

YOU ARE JUST A GOOD DEVELOPER.

Your time spent playing (without a measure of growth or project expansion) has no worth and no meaning. Threads with drama/conflict about players? Threads about clans? Threads about spamming? Threads about player rankings? Threads about tournaments? MEANINGLESS.

It is really MEANINGLESS TO YOU. But normal players, likes your game and it is mostly worldly known nowadays. That´s why they try to play and make clans and player rakings.

I need to agree with you about threads related to drama/conflitct involving players. But that´s why you created the FREE FORUMS. - or why not, TRASH TALK.

About spamming. CONGRATULATIONS CAPTAIN OBVIOUS, SOMEONE JUST DISCOVERED HOW TO USE "HEADSHOTS" IN YOUR GAME. Most games have this kind of function. And yes, it can instant start a rather interesting conversation with you, just like in normal life, right? Even in the world of Dragon Ball Z. I doubt anyone would survived when shot in the head.
People just cries too much, cause they don´t know how to properly do it.

Play the game (once). Find faults and areas of improvements. Come up with designs for improvement. Sharpen your own skills. Make a difference. That is what this community was created for.

All mêlée and blast/power bugs are well known by this community. However, people are always concerned about how other people plays the game, instead of showing up with some new ideas which can be implemented to the "new" build.

Any of you doing anything else of any kind that doesn't involve progress (in SOME way) has no purpose of existence here.

So why you created the Free Forum? Now That should be meaningless to you. Since you are just concerned with developíng right? It does affect your skills as a developer?

Well if you can´t handle it. Close it. That´s just my opinion.

But as you said, I´m just insignificant and rather existance guy, who can´t help you developing your project.

Tuesday, February 07, 2012

Printes has a point or two . Maybe the devs should not really put what happens ingame between players into their head. I know that this is not a good player community from the dev point of view. But if you don't like us , it would be better to ignore us rather than point out our mistakes. I don't know how a modeller can be distracted by clans. I just don't see the point. (someone can explain ?)

Tuesday, February 07, 2012

I think I can clear some of these discussion up a bit.

The way I see it, everyone thinks developers create this game to make it better, to make it the best Dragon Ball Z game there is. That is just not true. For example, I contributed something to this game. It wasn't because I wanted to get "fame" or because I wanted to produce the perfect Dragon Ball Z game. I wanted to expand my knowledge of the 3D wonders. And I did. Unimaginatively! That brings me to my first point. The REAL goal of this community is:
"Finding people willing to learn game development/any other development. People willing to spare some time on learning new things. The real goal is to gather people with different techniques, system approaches, designs. To gather developers who would like to share their knowledge with the world. Who would like to share their knowledge with us, uninformed participators. People who had a hard time teaching themselves and are WILLING to ease that process for us. The goal is to find people who can work together. Who are objective enough to grasp new ways of creativity. People that have one thing in common, willpower for productivity and advancement."

Now something that I am more directly involved, the forums. You guys think that the free forum is actually trash forum. Yes it is, but it still has RULES. Insulting ANYONE is forbidden. Even in free forum. So when people come here, and start making threads about someone killing them, or just start cursing someone, I have to react, don't I? If you want, I could probably leave free forum to your mercy guys... But that would result in TOTAL chaos. All threads could be spammed, all insults allowed, etc.. And that's just not a good thing.

Printes, you said "I have a good job at my hometown, and I try to protect consumers like me. That´s what I really like to do, and not beeing a developer. ". What does that mean? What do you mean by that? I played this game as well. Heck, I even got really good at it. But I did go to school, have other things, etc.. Now I ask ALL of you (not only you Printes), do you think the developers/contributors are getting paid for this? Do you think this is their full time job? They (including me) are working on this in spare time, or on holidays, etc.. Take Brad and MDave for example. They have their lives, yet they managed to create enough free time to develop this game from scratch. They didn't get paid for that. It was their willpower to become better at developing games. Or take me for example. I have college. I have exams. I have to tend to other duties. Granted, I didn't do much in the last few months for this project, I always try to do at LEAST something when I can. And it's not taking too much of my "free time". It's quite enjoyable. Have you ever tried animating? It's one of the most fun things to do, to see something move EXACTLY you want it, or to create big explosions in 3dsmax.. It's still fun.

"But as you said, I´m just insignificant and rather existance guy, who can´t help you developing your project." That's the thing! This project isn't about you helping IT, but IT helping your skills flourish!

And another thing. Being 1st in this game.. I really haven't tried that much to play, but I think I have seen enough of it to ask this question: How can ANYONE be better than anyone, when you can die with one ki blast? I always say people have their ways of playing. But what happens when someone's way of playing is "backstabbing with ki blasts"? People think he is a jerk because of it. But it's his way of playing! Just like in public beta 1 you could be offensive player, defensive player, etc...

Tuesday, February 07, 2012

Mima wrote : I think I can clear some of these discussion up a bit.

The way I see it, everyone thinks developers create this game to make it better, to make it the best Dragon Ball Z game there is. That is just not true. For example, I contributed something to this game. It wasn't because I wanted to get "fame" or because I wanted to produce the perfect Dragon Ball Z game. I wanted to expand my knowledge of the 3D wonders. And I did. Unimaginatively! That brings me to my first point. The REAL goal of this community is:
"Finding people willing to learn game development/any other development. People willing to spare some time on learning new things. The real goal is to gather people with different techniques, system approaches, designs. To gather developers who would like to share their knowledge with the world. Who would like to share their knowledge with us, uninformed participators. People who had a hard time teaching themselves and are WILLING to ease that process for us. The goal is to find people who can work together. Who are objective enough to grasp new ways of creativity. People that have one thing in common, willpower for productivity and advancement."

Now something that I am more directly involved, the forums. You guys think that the free forum is actually trash forum. Yes it is, but it still has RULES. Insulting ANYONE is forbidden. Even in free forum. So when people come here, and start making threads about someone killing them, or just start cursing someone, I have to react, don't I? If you want, I could probably leave free forum to your mercy guys... But that would result in TOTAL chaos. All threads could be spammed, all insults allowed, etc.. And that's just not a good thing.

Printes, you said "I have a good job at my hometown, and I try to protect consumers like me. That´s what I really like to do, and not beeing a developer. ". What does that mean? What do you mean by that? I played this game as well. Heck, I even got really good at it. But I did go to school, have other things, etc.. Now I ask ALL of you (not only you Printes), do you think the developers/contributors are getting paid for this? Do you think this is their full time job? They (including me) are working on this in spare time, or on holidays, etc.. Take Brad and MDave for example. They have their lives, yet they managed to create enough free time to develop this game from scratch. They didn't get paid for that. It was their willpower to become better at developing games. Or take me for example. I have college. I have exams. I have to tend to other duties. Granted, I didn't do much in the last few months for this project, I always try to do at LEAST something when I can. And it's not taking too much of my "free time". It's quite enjoyable. Have you ever tried animating? It's one of the most fun things to do, to see something move EXACTLY you want it, or to create big explosions in 3dsmax.. It's still fun.

"But as you said, I´m just insignificant and rather existance guy, who can´t help you developing your project." That's the thing! This project isn't about you helping IT, but IT helping your skills flourish!

And another thing. Being 1st in this game.. I really haven't tried that much to play, but I think I have seen enough of it to ask this question: How can ANYONE be better than anyone, when you can die with one ki blast? I always say people have their ways of playing. But what happens when someone's way of playing is "backstabbing with ki blasts"? People think he is a jerk because of it. But it's his way of playing! Just like in public beta 1 you could be offensive player, defensive player, etc...

Believe it or not, I have considered trying to learn programming too. However..

The common response from developers is usually ,,learn yourself". Which is quite an acceptable answer, except 99% of people cannot do it themselves. Sure, I could spend months of time reading some book about it, but that would horribly destroy my daily routine and I hardly think it would get me anywhere in the end.

Tuesday, February 07, 2012

WSSuperVegeta wrote :

skkyper wrote :

Did you even read the whole thing ? There is no thing that could be called special,and when you know breakers and basics there's nothing more you can learn,everything is used in different situations.

About immaturity,you are more immature than me,and so are many members of WS,I never insulted someone without them starting first, I never started a fight.And trust me , players changed a lot since I first played.

here


and here

You basically just confirmed what I said.

Tuesday, February 07, 2012

skkyper wrote :

You basically just confirmed what I said.

Thank you!

Tuesday, February 07, 2012

All day talking stuff here helps a lot in development.

Tuesday, February 07, 2012

Maszek wrote : The common response from developers is usually ,,learn yourself". Which is quite an acceptable answer, except 99% of people cannot do it themselves. Sure, I could spend months of time reading some book about it, but that would horribly destroy my daily routine and I hardly think it would get me anywhere in the end.

That's what I'm saying! I don't think there is anyone here that will tall you that.. For example, I mentioned animating. It's really fun. Why don't you just try to get 3dsmax, and come on IRC and ask "Can someone show me some tricks in animating?" I would gladly help you (And I know other people would as well).

Tuesday, February 07, 2012

Maszek, it's hardly possible to learn programming merely by experimentation. That much I agree with, but you are missing a very important feature of the internet: the SEARCH function.

There's fast amounts of knowledge concerning programming for any language. Whether it's on Youtube, the ZEQ2-Lite forums, or even websites that exclusively discuss programming languages and their various commands.

People take the Internet for granted. And it's astonishing to see that people still refuse to search for this invaluable wealth of information even when the Internet's very existence is threatened.

Tuesday, February 07, 2012

I tried to learn some programming but I couldn't understand anything ... without a teacher is improbable,and where I live you won't have a programming class until grade 9,and I'm only grade 7,so, not everyone can teach programming just like that, it's a complicated thing for me and for many others.About modeling with 3dsmax... I never tried it but maybe I'll try it in weekends..but I don't know a thing about it

Tuesday, February 07, 2012

Linkxp500 wrote : Maszek, it's hardly possible to learn programming merely by experimentation. That much I agree with, but you are missing a very important feature of the internet: the SEARCH function.

There's fast amounts of knowledge concerning programming for any language. Whether it's on Youtube, the ZEQ2-Lite forums, or even websites that exclusively discuss programming languages and their various commands.

People take the Internet for granted. And it's astonishing to see that people still refuse to search for this invaluable wealth of information even when the Internet's very existence is threatened.

The problem is, it takes very long even with the internet, as nobody really guides me and I have trouble learning by myself.

@Mima: I can model to some extent but I'm definitely not talented. I barely know anything about animating, but if someone is willing to help, I accept it of course.

Tuesday, February 07, 2012

Mima wrote : (...)
Now something that I am more directly involved, the forums. You guys think that the free forum is actually trash forum. Yes it is, but it still has RULES. Insulting ANYONE is forbidden. Even in free forum. So when people come here, and start making threads about someone killing them, or just start cursing someone, I have to react, don't I? If you want, I could probably leave free forum to your mercy guys... But that would result in TOTAL chaos. All threads could be spammed, all insults allowed, etc.. And that's just not a good thing.

Indeed this is not a good thing. However, since you guys implemented this "ninja" moderator style, the free forum is falling apart. People insulting eachother in other languages, more and more non-sense discussions and etc.

Printes, you said "I have a good job at my hometown, and I try to protect consumers like me. That´s what I really like to do, and not beeing a developer. ". What does that mean? What do you mean by that? I played this game as well. Heck, I even got really good at it. But I did go to school, have other things, etc.. Now I ask ALL of you (not only you Printes), do you think the developers/contributors are getting paid for this? Do you think this is their full time job? They (including me) are working on this in spare time, or on holidays, etc.. Take Brad and MDave for example. They have their lives, yet they managed to create enough free time to develop this game from scratch. They didn't get paid for that. It was their willpower to become better at developing games. Or take me for example. I have college. I have exams. I have to tend to other duties. Granted, I didn't do much in the last few months for this project, I always try to do at LEAST something when I can. And it's not taking too much of my "free time". It's quite enjoyable. Have you ever tried animating? It's one of the most fun things to do, to see something move EXACTLY you want it, or to create big explosions in 3dsmax.. It's still fun.

What I tried to say was, I don´t like nothing related to developping. That´s not in my personal interests.

I like to do some other stuff in my "free time". For example, go out with my friends, drink, read a good book, study law cases and etcetera.

And, Milos. This is not the first time we talk about it. I know you guys work on it when you can. I din´t said that´s your full time job or even that you get paid by being a forum admin. And even if you guys do. That´s not my problem.

I do appreciate all your commitment in the project. But, I just like to play it. That´s all.

And I also appreciate your concern about trying to help people who is interested in learning 3DSMAX. But, for me, it´s a waste of time. I don´t like that stuff.

(...)

And another thing. Being 1st in this game.. I really haven't tried that much to play, but I think I have seen enough of it to ask this question: How can ANYONE be better than anyone, when you can die with one ki blast? I always say people have their ways of playing. But what happens when someone's way of playing is "backstabbing with ki blasts"? People think he is a jerk because of it. But it's his way of playing! Just like in public beta 1 you could be offensive player, defensive player, etc...

Spam and being the 1st in this game are totally different things.

The fact that you can kill someone with only one ki shot, doenst make you the best player. That just shows one of your skills. Which is attack and defend yourself against other spammers, or other good players who tries to start a rather interesting conversation with you.

Being 1st in this game means you mastered all skills in the game, and that includes mêlée fights and blast fights, like you and Domitjen did in Public Beta 1, and Skkyper and Deserto did in this build.

That´s all.

To Finish this, I would like to leave a really good comment from a good friend of mine, and which I agree 100%:

Astronomical wrote : When the latest stable release came out, I quickly learned 1 thing.
Death is your own fault. Regardless of the circumstances.

You can sit and whine about it, give up entirely, or worse, start screaming abuse over the chat. But it doesn’t help.

'Spammers' can be defeated. When something appears easy to use and quick to defeat someone, its is used frequently and use of more complicated tactics/strategies is less frequent. This usually makes the 'spammer' predictable, and abnormally susceptible to a precise attack.

Before the new release, it was said that "Anyone can die in the new release" I assume that includes spammers. If I can survive 2 seconds, I can survive 2 hours, and if anyone can be hurt they can be killed. When I played, my priority above anything else was survival, killing others is a bonus

Very few spammers are something to complain about as anything can be countered, you just need to know how. (exceptions apply, but very FEW).

Someone once said
"Drink a cup of concrete and harden the F up."

Wednesday, February 08, 2012

Wednesday, February 08, 2012

Sayorana wrote :

Sunday, March 11, 2012

Its a good thing I'm not in those list
it would be a drag if I did
by the way I can defeat holy_dragon in public beta 1 and maybe even dokumas






(don't mind the TKN symbol I forgot to remove it I'm not in any clan)