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Sunday, January 30, 2011

HI I wanted to say some transformations that have never been in a video game.... for example..... when Goku was in the time chamber he turned into ULTRA Super Saiyan like Vegeta Trunks even though he only did it once....he still achieved it....and in the cell saga cell turns as big as an APE afor a little bit of time...he called it "whole cell"

Just putting it out there in case someone wanted to add a tier to their addon character.........has anyone made a "cell saga" Trunks? because I barely consider future Trunks a character that I would ever use

I wuld love to kknow your thoughts!

Sunday, January 30, 2011

Most likely, no one ever made these forms because they weren't that great. Goku even said as much when he went "ultra" in front of Gohan. Yeah, they get stronger, but the huge muscle mass hinders speed and flexibility, meaning it's really not worth it in the slightest.

In a game mechanics and playability perspective, why would you ever use that transformation if it makes you move slower, when you could just power up a bit more and hit Super Saiyan 2 instead and get faster? From a series perspective, you're moving so slow you can't land a single punch(Even Trunks found this out), so why use it?

Sunday, January 30, 2011

Well video games don't include that...... If you were to play budokai tenkaichi then Vegeta or Trunks.....neither get slower

Sunday, January 30, 2011

Vegeta doesn't get slower because he only goes ascended but truks in ultra Super Saiyan two in one of the budokai tenkaichi games has very slow combos

Sunday, January 30, 2011

But fast or not you still have the dame possibility of stopping him

And Goku said that the only reason why they would be slower is because he transformed too quickly

Sunday, January 30, 2011

Correction. Goku said this: ".....This new form has a weakness..... I know like I can beat cell, but these bulky muscles make it hard to move fast. And if I'm going to beat cell I can't have anything slowing me down. What good is it if I can't catch my enemy...."

Postscript please use edit function

Sunday, January 30, 2011

Connection Trunks said this........"Oh I see what they're trying to do......they're trying to stay Super Saiyan so it won't slow them down when they go beyond...that's why I didn't beat cell...I transformed to quickly"

Sunday, January 30, 2011

suckapunch wrote : But fast or not you still have the dame possibility of stopping him

That depends entirely on the situation. Size and strength aren't everything. Just because you can go running around flailing a sword twice your size, doesn't mean you can't be stabbed in the back by someone else with a dagger.

Skill and strategy can always trump brute force if used correctly.



Edited for clairity.

Sunday, January 30, 2011

Again, you have to understand that the form Trunks was in is much different from the form that Goku fought cell in. Goku fought cell in normal Super Saiyan form, he only mastered it and got as much from it as he could. On the other hand, Trunks ascended to Ultra Super Saiyan Form, which is completely different from normal Super Saiyan form. Another thing, when Goku powered up against cell, was he so bulky like Trunks? No, he was in Normal Super Saiyan form.

Edit: I totally agree with you Shenku. But there is another factor that is really important in Dragon Ball Z world. Intent.

Sunday, January 30, 2011

If you read the first post you wouldve seen that I said Goku powered up like that in the time chamber.....right there he said that he and Gohan should try to become natural Super Saiyans so it wouldn't slow them down as much when they surpassed that.. That's exactly what Gohan did when he went to Super Saiyan 2... He surpassed Super Saiyan without losing any speed

Sunday, January 30, 2011

suckapunch wrote : If you read the first post you wouldve seen that I said Goku powered up like that in the time chamber.....right there he said that he and Gohan should try to become natural Super Saiyans so it wouldn't slow them down as much when they surpassed that.. That's exactly what Gohan did when he went to Super Saiyan 2... He surpassed Super Saiyan without losing any speed

Technically, Super Saiyan 2 is an actual transformation, Ultra Super Saiyan is just powering up to the extreme limit of what Super Saiyan can manage. Or if you prefer, it's Super Saiyan 1.5...

Either way, Goku's reason for him and Gohan staying transformed all the time was because of the amount of stamina wasted just to transform.

Sunday, January 30, 2011

I watched the whole saga today and that's not what Goku said....anyway it's not technically Super Saiyan 2...it wasn't called Super Saiyan two until the majin Buu saga came amd Toriyama had the idea for Goku to transform.....then he made Goku's hair just like gohans and he decided to call it Super Saiyan two since their hair were both the same...... Anyway even though you don't notice it.....Gohan does get a lot more muscle during his transformation its just that he's a kid so he doesn't look like Trunks

Anyway......if their going to make a Trunks that is slow then they might as well make Goku that is slow but powerful

Monday, January 31, 2011

aaaa shenku , to correct you , ussj2 is Super Saiyan 1.85 aprox Ultimate Super Saiyan is Super Saiyan 1.5 , Goku said that ussj2 is lacking in identifiable function because it makes him slow , while Super Saiyan 2 is strong and fast at the same time , what this guy is talking about is a Ultimate Super Saiyan Goku not ussj2

Monday, January 31, 2011

What is ultimate Super Saiyan 2?

Monday, January 31, 2011

Ultimate Super Saiyan = ascended Super Saiyan (like Vegeta)

Ultimate Super Saiyan 2 = like Trunks.

Monday, January 31, 2011

Ah I see. I always called Trunks Ultra Super Saiyan and thought of Vegeta as Ascended Super Saiyan.

Edit: But still, I think the USSJ2 form has a bit of a speed issue and is not completely the same as Super Saiyan 2 just without speed. Super Saiyan 2 is similar, but it still gives the transformed one more power (You could see that from the strength of Gohan's punches) and you do not loose your speed. You even gain a great deal of it.

Edit 2: suckapunch, please use Edit function more, so you don't double/triple post.

Monday, January 31, 2011

But what about your thoughts on the "whole cell"

Monday, January 31, 2011

najeeb wrote : aaaa shenku , to correct you , ussj2 is Super Saiyan 1.85 aprox

Where did I mention anything about "Ultimate Super Saiyan 2"?

As far as I'm concerned, Ultimate Super Saiyan and Ascended Super Saiyan are the same form. The only difference is Ascended stops short of powering up to full to avoid losing speed for the sake of more power, where as Ultimate goes for an all or nothing approach.

Super Saiyan 2 however is a different beast entirely. Regardless of when they came up with the name of it, the fact remains that it was a full step beyond the level of strength Trunks had at full power during his initial fight with Cell. Not only was Gohan stronger than Goku during his fight with Cell, but Gohan was faster too(Once he snapped after Android 16's head was crushed). In a sense, they had been leading up to that moment through the whole series, hinting that Gohan just might have been stronger than anyone had given credit for, except for Goku who let the fate of the world hang in the ballance as to whether or not Gohan would realize it too.

Look at his list of battles growing up, versus that of Goku while growing up. While Goku fought off entire armys of normal men and robots(Red Ribbon Army) and what have you, Gohan was forced into facing off against Raditz(When he broke out of the ship), Nappa(Got Piccolo killed due to his fear of fighting), Vegeta(After Goku got the stuffing kicked out of him), a whole host of Frieza's minions including Dodoria(Though they weren't really fighting so much as running away with Dende), the Ginyu Force(Before Goku arrived, Gohan was the only one who still had enough strength to fight, before getting knocked senseless by Racoom right about the same time that Goku landed, and that's before putting into account them fighting Jeice and Ginyu later), Frieza, Garlic Jr.(twice technically, if you include the movie), and eventually Cell

Short version, Goku worked his way up to fighting super strong opponents over his entire life, Gohan was forced to keep up over the course of his battle ridden childhood, and was fighting opponents that would have been way too strong for Goku at that same age. This is all going off topic though.

Anyways, why is this thread in the addon section? This should really be in either the discussion or free forum sections. Unless you're specifically requsting something by making this thread, which is against the rules...

Monday, January 31, 2011

Anyone's thoughts on the "whole cell" thing....I think the only reason why they don't put that transformation on games is because cell has too many transformations

Monday, January 31, 2011

suckapunch wrote : Anyone's thoughts on the "whole cell" thing....I think the only reason why they don't put that transformation on games is because cell has too many transformations

The whole reason they didn't put that on games was because they didn't had references to do it...get it?

Monday, January 31, 2011

suckapunch wrote : Anyone's thoughts on the "whole cell" thing....I think the only reason why they don't put that transformation on games is because cell has too many transformations

If you're refering to when he bulked up his muscles while fighting Gohan(which was never given a name), then most likely they never include it because he only used it twice, once to show Trunks and again while fighting Gohan. Regardless, he only used it in a fight the one time, and it didn't make any difference. In the end, Gohan still beat him.

Monday, January 31, 2011

I know but I'm not referring to that... at some point in the battle he says "this can't be happening!! I'm whole!" and he somehow becomes as tall as an ape

Monday, January 31, 2011

This thread definitely doesn't belong to Addon forums.

Monday, January 31, 2011

I think I know that after people say it like 5 times

Monday, January 31, 2011

suckapunch wrote : I think I know that after people say it like 5 times

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