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Richma
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 Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Guys if someone will edit a gamepack or something please lock the tier.cfg b'because some guys are overpowering characters and they can't be beaten dislike those guys 
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Linkxp500
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Richma wrote : Guys if someone will edit a gamepack or something please lock the tier.cfg b'because some guys are overpowering characters and they can't be beaten dislike those guys
The tier.cfg doesn't just control the abilities of a character, it also allows customization to the character in all ways except its textures and models. It is easy to edit, just open it up in a text editor. Do you still have trouble understanding how to balance characters?
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Richma
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Linkxp500 wrote : Richma wrote : Guys if someone will edit a gamepack or something please lock the tier.cfg b'because some guys are overpowering characters and they can't be beaten dislike those guys
The tier.cfg doesn't just control the abilities of a character, it also allows customization to the character in all ways except its textures and models. It is easy to edit, just open it up in a text editor. Do you still have trouble understanding how to balance characters?
okay but can you power up you character there that he is much stronger?
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RealDeal
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Linkxp500 wrote : Richma wrote : Guys if someone will edit a gamepack or something please lock the tier.cfg b'because some guys are overpowering characters and they can't be beaten dislike those guys
The tier.cfg doesn't just control the abilities of a character, it also allows customization to the character in all ways except its textures and models. It is easy to edit, just open it up in a text editor. Do you still have trouble understanding how to balance characters?
I think he just said to lock the files,he did not ask to explain
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LegendarySS4
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
True, Super Saiyan 3 Goku can be a pain in the buttocks, but if you have skills (like me) you can defeat them with merely Raditz 
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Richma
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
LegendarySS4 wrote : True, Super Saiyan 3 Goku can be a pain in the buttocks, but if you have skills (like me) you can defeat them with merely Raditz
heh I'm not so good but some guy killed me with 3 punched with Gogeta he deal me so much damage and I do the same attack on him and I don't deal so much damahe so I guess he overpowered him 
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Linkxp500
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
RealDeal wrote : Linkxp500 wrote : Richma wrote : Guys if someone will edit a gamepack or something please lock the tier.cfg b'because some guys are overpowering characters and they can't be beaten dislike those guys
The tier.cfg doesn't just control the abilities of a character, it also allows customization to the character in all ways except its textures and models. It is easy to edit, just open it up in a text editor. Do you still have trouble understanding how to balance characters?
I think he just said to lock the files,he did not ask to explain
You are right, but I could tell he is having trouble trying to make the tiers for characters balanced. We've talked about this on our PMs, and the way he wrote this betrayed his true intention that he really wants the tiers to be balanced, and, by locking the tiers, would achieve that goal. I am trying to dissuade him of this theory, claiming that customization requires open tiers.
Therefore, I am trying to help him balance the tiers, without resorting to unneccessary and inconvenient alternatives.
Richma, if you change the value of breakLimitRate to a higher numerical value, you can get any character to become stronger by raising the power level in-game. Remember, the higher the power level, the higher the impact of the fighting tier values. Also, the powerlevelMultiplier will not affect this impact.
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Richma
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Linkxp500 wrote : RealDeal wrote : Linkxp500 wrote : Richma wrote : Guys if someone will edit a gamepack or something please lock the tier.cfg b'because some guys are overpowering characters and they can't be beaten dislike those guys
The tier.cfg doesn't just control the abilities of a character, it also allows customization to the character in all ways except its textures and models. It is easy to edit, just open it up in a text editor. Do you still have trouble understanding how to balance characters?
I think he just said to lock the files,he did not ask to explain
You are right, but I could tell he is having trouble trying to make the tiers for characters balanced. We've talked about this on our PMs, and the way he wrote this betrayed his true intention that he really wants the tiers to be balanced, and, by locking the tiers, would achieve that goal. I am trying to dissuade him of this theory, claiming that customization requires open tiers.
Therefore, I am trying to help him balance the tiers, without resorting to unneccessary and inconvenient alternatives.
Richma, if you change the value of breakLimitRate to a higher numerical value, you can get any character to become stronger by raising the power level in-game. Remember, the higher the power level, the higher the impact of the fighting tier values. Also, the powerlevelMultiplier will not affect this impact.
So do you think that could guy overpowered that Gogeta?
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Linkxp500
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Depends on the values for either character. Suppose the default Goku fought NELLO!!'s Brolly character. Goku wouldn't stand a chance because NELLO!! pumped up all of Brolly's stats to values exceeding 3.0 to 4.0, and Goku's stats are the same as the tierDefault.cfg file. Even if Brolly decreased his base Power Level to the minimum and Goku had his Power Level increased to the absolute maximum, the Legendary Super Saiyan's stats are so high that Brolly could still defeat Goku.
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Richma
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Linkxp500 wrote : Depends on the values for either character. Suppose the default Goku fought NELLO!!'s Brolly character. Goku wouldn't stand a chance because NELLO!! pumped up all of Brolly's stats to values exceeding 3.0 to 4.0, and Goku's stats are the same as the tierDefault.cfg file. Even if Brolly decreased his base Power Level to the minimum and Goku had his Power Level increased to the absolute maximum, the Legendary Super Saiyan's stats are so high that Brolly could still defeat Goku.
okay 
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Linkxp500
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Richma wrote : Linkxp500 wrote : Depends on the values for either character. Suppose the default Goku fought NELLO!!'s Brolly character. Goku wouldn't stand a chance because NELLO!! pumped up all of Brolly's stats to values exceeding 3.0 to 4.0, and Goku's stats are the same as the tierDefault.cfg file. Even if Brolly decreased his base Power Level to the minimum and Goku had his Power Level increased to the absolute maximum, the Legendary Super Saiyan's stats are so high that Brolly could still defeat Goku.
okay
So, what do you need help with? Is it the difficulty to know what is balanced and what isn't? Is it the constant testing you need to do? Or were you just unsure of what command does what?
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Richma
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Linkxp500 wrote : Richma wrote : Linkxp500 wrote : Depends on the values for either character. Suppose the default Goku fought NELLO!!'s Brolly character. Goku wouldn't stand a chance because NELLO!! pumped up all of Brolly's stats to values exceeding 3.0 to 4.0, and Goku's stats are the same as the tierDefault.cfg file. Even if Brolly decreased his base Power Level to the minimum and Goku had his Power Level increased to the absolute maximum, the Legendary Super Saiyan's stats are so high that Brolly could still defeat Goku.
okay
So, what do you need help with? Is it the difficulty to know what is balanced and what isn't? Is it the constant testing you need to do? Or were you just unsure of what command does what?
Nope I just wanted ask was that guy overpowered because he beat me so easily and I was defending and he still killed me o.O
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Linkxp500
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
It is likely that he was overpowered. Since you were using a balanced character, and seeing as how the more recent characters created have unbalanced stats, save for Videl, the tier for the other player may have been too strong.
Also, defending is no way to fight, if you want to win, you have to fight back, but you also have to defend, these tactics are essential to survive, and this is true everywhere. Of course he will start a rather interesting conversation with you, because blocking does not defend against mêlée attacks.
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Richma
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Linkxp500 wrote : It is likely that he was overpowered. Since you were using a balanced character, and seeing as how the more recent characters created have unbalanced stats, save for Videl, the tier for the other player may have been too strong.
Also, defending is no way to fight, if you want to win, you have to fight back, but you also have to defend, these tactics are essential to survive, and this is true everywhere. Of course he will start a rather interesting conversation with you, because blocking does not defend against mêlée attacks.
I did and I defended with CTRL and S if you hold those to you can avoid but still he killed me 3 punches he is like the same guy who played with cooler 3 punches killed me I was Super Saiyan 3 Goku
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Akinator
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Maybe the server haave addon pack. Or this guy use Vegito
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Richma
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Akinator wrote : Maybe the server haave addon pack. Or this guy use Vegito
That guy who beated me today was using Gogeta and the guy before him was using cooler and they both kill me in tree punches and I was Goku Super Saiyan 3 
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Akinator
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Well... then sure he use addon pack. Or no ofence, maybe was better than you.
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Richma
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Akinator wrote : Well... then sure he use addon pack. Or no ofence, maybe was better than you.
He is really good but here is something when I use same attacks like he I don't deal much damage and when he use that same attack he almost deal damage half of my power
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Linkxp500
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Akinator wrote : Well... then sure he use addon pack. Or no ofence, maybe was better than you.
Nope, Default Super Saiyan 3 Goku has much lower stats than either of those addons.
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LegendarySS4
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Linkxp500 wrote : Akinator wrote : Well... then sure he use addon pack. Or no ofence, maybe was better than you.
Nope, Default Super Saiyan 3 Goku has much lower stats than either of those addons.
True, and bloppity blip bloop just play regular non-addons server and improve your skills.
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JayREEZY
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Here is the anime-accurate tier for Super Saiyan 3 Goku  ...
//=============================
// Status Configuration
//=============================
tierName Super Saiyan 3
speed 6.0
zanzokenCost 1.3
zanzokenSpeed 9.12
zanzokenDistance 7.5
airBrakeCost 2.0
percentMeleeAttack 5.5
percentMeleeDefense 4.5
percentEnergyDefense 4.0
percentEnergyAttackDamage 4.5
percentEnergyAttackCost 0.8
breakLimitRate 0.0
effectFatigue -75
powerLevelHudMultiplier 7590
//=============================
// Transform Configuration
//=============================
requirementCurrent 20000
requirementFatigue 30000
requirementMax 20000
sustainCurrent 5000
sustainFatigue 17000
transformCameraDefault 0 10 70
transformCameraOrbit -45 200
transformCameraPan 0 50
transformCameraAngle 180 225
transformTime 5000
//=============================
// Aura Configuration
//=============================
auraColor 1.0 1.0 0.2
auraLightColor 1.0 1.0 1.0
auraTrailColor 1.0 1.0 0.2
showLightning True
auraChargeLoop effects/aura/boost.ogg
auraChargeStart effects/aura/chargeStart4.ogg
auraBoostLoop effects/aura/soarCruiseBoost1.ogg
auraBoostStart effects/aura/boostStart.ogg
If you want any more accurate powerlevels, just ask me  .
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VeGoku
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Yep, a lot of addon characters are overpowered.. They can beat Super Saiyan 2 with 3 punches
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Richma
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
VegetaFan wrote : Yep, a lot of addon characters are overpowered.. They can beat Super Saiyan 2 with 3 punches
yeah I know that and a guy killed me with cooler in 3 punches and I was Goku Super Saiyan 3
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JayREEZY
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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
and here's cooler's correct stats, and this is final form. Still weaker than Super Saiyan Goku.
//=============================
// Status Configuration
//=============================
tierPermanent True
tierName Coolerfinalform
speed 3.8
percentMeleeAttack 2.1
percentMeleeDefense 1.8
percentEnergyDefense 0.98
percentEnergyAttackDamage 2.4
percentEnergyAttackCost 1.85
zanzokenSpeed 4.35
zanzokenDistance 2.5
breakLimitRate 2.0
effectCurrent 20
effectFatigue 0
powerLevelHudMultiplier 89
//=============================
// Transform Configuration
//=============================
requirementCurrent 32000
sustainCurrent 0
sustainMaximum 0
sustainFatigue 0
sustainHealth 0
transformCameraDefault 180 10 70
transformCameraOrbit 225 360
transformCameraPan -30 0
transformTime 3000
//=============================
// Aura Configuration
//=============================
auraTagCount 1 7 10
auraColor 1.0 0.5 1.0
auraLightColor 1.0 0.5 1.0
auraTrailColor 1.0 0.5 1.0
auraTrailWidth 42
auraScale 2
auraLength 42
auraChargeLoop skills/pulseLoop4.ogg
auraChargeStart skills/pingCharge3.ogg
auraBoostLoop effects/aura/soarCruiseBoost1.ogg
auraBoostStart effects/aura/boostStart3.ogg
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Linkxp500
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Thursday, October 20, 2011
The problem, Jayreezy, is that Richma used the default Goku tiers, and the other players used the "anime accurate" tiers. This game is intended to be balanced. That way, the "weaker anime" characters get some love.
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