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paulerxx View user's profile Send private message

Reply with quote Wednesday, April 05, 2006

Where can I get Linux?
How do I dual boot it? ( I have 2 harddrives, do I put linux on the driver without windows on it?)

Games on linux?

Why would I switch to linux? Anything special about it?

Morpherex View user's profile Send private message

Reply with quote Wednesday, April 05, 2006

Only switch if you wish to learn it, and do more than the general desktop/gaming malarky.

You can get linux almost anywhere. Fedora just plain su.c-ks, don't go with it, ever. Neither go with Mandrake. VLos is pretty damn good, even though it uses Anaconda to install. But it's the easiest Gentoo system you'll ever set up. Ubuntu is alright, aslong as you can deal with their lack of updates.

Forza View user's profile Send private message

Reply with quote Thursday, April 06, 2006

Linux only supports half the games. On availability of games Windows wins big time.

Alex ZEQ2 Effects Programmer View user's profile Send private message

Reply with quote Thursday, April 06, 2006

As Morph said, the reason you use Linux is if you want to do more and have more control than you can do and have on windows.

You don't convert to Linux if you want to play the latest games or use windows software. You do convert to linux if you want a more stable and secure OS, if you want to have a easy to set up and quick to use development environment, if you want to run a local webserver without having to go through all the fiddle sticks with windows, if you want a 100% legal, 100% free, 100% opensource workstation and office suite, if you want to run a hardware firewall, DHCP server, internet filtering and so on, if you want to set up a fast, user-aware file-server and a heck of a lot more which you'd have to pay thousands to set up windows to do similar.

Most, if not all the major, linux distros can be installed with practically everything you'll need with minimal hassle getting it all to work, anything else can usually either be grabbed off the distro's online updater or a quick google.

Zeth ZEQ2 Programmer View user's profile Send private message

Reply with quote Thursday, April 06, 2006

Linux is a minimalistic operating system built on high effeciency and security over other qualities -- thus appealing to technicians and logically sound people.

Windows is an interface driven operating system built on an easy to understand principle, PERIOD -- thus appealing to the masses (97% of all people out their). It's high compatibility is derived that it was the first to really catch on -- thus most developers use it.

Macintosh is ALSO an interface driven operating system built on an easy to understand principle. Due to it's lack of software compatibility, LUDICROUS pricing, and proprietary hardware (until recently), it was only the choice for specialized media-type developers with a lot of money and/or desire for a more secure system.

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All in all windows wins ON SO many levels for SO many reasons that most Mac/Linux uses simply cannot comprehend. Why? Simply because it's not rational. Realize though that most of the world isn't rational. If you want success, you need the masses' support.

For the most part, some people don't understand that it's not about what system is 'secure', 'faster', or more 'effecient'. To someone computer savvy; SURE, these things matter. To the average joe (97% of the world), they want something that's INCREDIBLY easy to use without hassle of ANY computer mumbo jumbo. Windows XP's interface towards a default friendly cartoony theme-orientation really showcases this concept in action.

Mac has achieved its own form of UI perfection as well -- even bringing the concept a step further with a one button mouse. The issue with macintosh remained for the longest time cost and proprietary ownership of hardware types. You couldn't just hand your neighbor's kid $200 and have him nab you a decent system like you could with PC's!

Linux has attempted to mimic the windows happy go lucky friendly theme atmosphere, but until it dumps a version of the system out with the console completely hidden and unneccesary, one button installs for EVERYTHING, happy friendly icons and interfaces, and an discomforting dancing paper clip to guide your process, it's not going to appeal to the masses anytime soon -- even if it was 10,000 times faster and more effecient!

Additionally, since Windows is dominating the market, Unix-based system are going to need a heck of a packaging deal. Sure, there are loads of software out there on linux. As soon as they *all* get a simplified install process, copy the EXACT windows interfaces of their counterparts, and are broadened to mimic all kinds of features, the masses might start leaning towards Linux more. If every Tom, Bob, and Andy can't use their email program in the EXACTLY same manner as their friends can or as instructured by someone, the idea will not catch on.

Microsoft is actually genius' in this concept. They realized that effeciency and security can be sacrificed for easy to use interfaces and friendly flashy windows aids. Couple that with the fact that the company's MARKETING department IS super duper and you have a very dangerous organization that can charge you pretty much anything for even the smallest update, program, periphial, or addon. All sold seperately , of course. Wink

Alex ZEQ2 Effects Programmer View user's profile Send private message

Reply with quote Thursday, April 06, 2006

Exactly, Windows is for the average user who doesn't have any interest in doing more than windows allows them to and who doesn't mind paying for (or pirating) everything. MS are experts in marketting sub-standard, bug ridden and insecure software, having had over a decade getting Windows put over as 'the best there is' and getting people to pay over the odds for new versions with new problems, so much so that hardly a large portion of it's user base cares about such problems. (e.g. look at MS Office, barely any functionallity's changed over the last half dozen incarnations, yet they force new versions on you by making a new fileformat which older versions can't read.)

As Zeth said, Windows is the main stream operating system, everyone's so tied into it because MS were in the right place at the right time with the right propoganda that only the most elitist snobs actually refuse to use it. If you want to use main stream applications and games well, you're going to have to use windows and you're going to have to keep upgrading to be able to stay using the latest programs.

If you're going to start using linux then start using it along side windows, not instead of, especially if you have no real reason to use Linux, though I'm sure if you have any interest in things relating to development you'll be able to find some reason to use Linux.

Zeth ZEQ2 Programmer View user's profile Send private message

Reply with quote Thursday, April 06, 2006

MS are experts in marketting sub-standard, bug ridden and insecure software, having had over a decade getting Windows put over as 'the best there is' and getting people to pay over the odds for new versions with new problems, so much so that hardly a large portion of it's user base cares about such problems. (e.g. look at MS Office, barely any functionallity's changed over the last half dozen incarnations, yet they force new versions on you by making a new fileformat which older versions can't read.)


Exactly! That is truly the genius of Microsoft though. They realize that they don't HAVE to release a fully patched, working version of their software! They can release an additionally buggy, but featureful upgrade to anything and people will BUY it, regardless. They KNOW this and they exploit it. Evil, but genius.

paulerxx View user's profile Send private message

Reply with quote Friday, April 07, 2006

well *laughing out loud*, ight'

any tweaks for windows?

thanks

CYN View user's profile Send private message

Reply with quote Friday, April 07, 2006

linux's ram management makes windows look like a small child.

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