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Addict_Designs
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Sunday, March 19, 2006
Morpherex wrote : I'm quite sure I know more about tweaking than you. Considering I've made my own custom WinXP Unattended CD, which will install all of my necessary drivers, dissable all the useless services, and install the Applications that I want from a fresh install.
Thank you very much. And as I still will say, post your specs, then talk. Mine were already posted, search for them.
Ghosting's much easier
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Morpherex
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Sunday, March 19, 2006
zeth is a f.uc-ok.ing. f.agg.ot.
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Addict_Designs
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Sunday, March 19, 2006
OK first thing, what is wrong with Fedora? Nothing at all, it's a solid OS. So how about you keep your magnificent opinion to yourself since you seem to have no idea how to use good peoples skills.
Second thing, what do organizations use when they have dozen upon dozens of computers? Ghost is what they use or do a network install. They don't make a copy of a Unattended install and call themselves big shots cause they can "tweak" a system.
Ghosting is easier for the main reason it's easier to make a image then making a whole Unattended CD, defiently for first time users.
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Morpherex
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Sunday, March 19, 2006
zeth is a f.uc-ok.ing. f.agg.ot.
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Zeth
ZEQ2 Programmer
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Sunday, March 19, 2006
And yes, if you look at a professionally, legally run corporation, each Desktop/laptop ran there will have a separate Key. Ghosting does not allow this. Ghosting is just a copy of a fresh install, it is not a fresh install.
Actually I've worked as an assistant network administrator before several times. We use ghosting methods to easily maintain all of the 3000 systems on campus. They do NOT have to unique keys per system. When microsoft runs around and does checks (yes - they do this) you just have to be able to enough provide legal keys for each system using their product.
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Morpherex
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Sunday, March 19, 2006
zeth is a f.uc-ok.ing. f.agg.ot.
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Addict_Designs
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Sunday, March 19, 2006
Ok, please explain how a Campus isn't professionally ran?
A secondary instatution provides a service to a paying customer. They have PROFESSIONALS that take care of networks and they have PROFESSIONALS that teach the selected subject. What's their final goal after every four year plan? To make money, it's that simple.
So how about you learn your things that relate to kites before you try to say a school is not professionally ran.
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Morpherex
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Monday, March 20, 2006
Professionals don't teach the subjects, cuty. Anyone can become a loving college teacher. Face it, you don't know your poo. You think you know everything just because you have a distro of linux installed, which is the worst one made ever. Y.ou don't kn.ow yo.you're st.uff. "Hay guyz, I go to college, I must be smarter than this other guy LA.W.L".
intellectually lacking mod editing my post. Go f.you.ck yourself.
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Addict_Designs
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Monday, March 20, 2006
Again with the magnificent name calling. 99% of the time, a teacher that is teaching the selected subject will have experience in that field. This makes them professional's in that field.
And please quote me one place where I say "I know everything about Linux" please quote me on that.
Two words.
Grow up.
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Blaize
ZEQ2 Legend
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Monday, March 20, 2006
*cough*amen to that!*cough*
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Zeth
ZEQ2 Programmer
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Monday, March 20, 2006
Morph wrote : Ghosting is outdated, and for super penguin sledders.
I happen to be a super penguin sledder :'(
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Punio4
Somewhat Nifty
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Monday, March 20, 2006
I dislike the term "ghosting"... It's "imaging"... the same as the recent "iPodding" and similar terms... don't equalize the general function with a product
Oh yeah... My C:\ partition has 3 GB... so, my entire image archive has about 5 GB max, because I'm using incremental backuping with TrueImage.
Much easier than a format/reinstall
I usually keep 3 different images...
- a fresh install
- with drivers and necessary software
- fully customized and updated
Saves me the time, and the nerves...
I see no down side to it... Unlike windows restore which took about 20 GB of my space, until I decided to disable it >_<
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Element4q2
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Monday, March 20, 2006
I must still be living in the dark ages in that case.
I still reinstall off my XP original, tweak my settings and keep all my apps on DVD ready to be reinstalled when I need them.
Since I'm not one to format and reinstall my OS every month this doesn't bother me in the least
Punio4 wrote :
I dislike the term "ghosting"... It's "imaging"... the same as the recent "iPodding" and similar terms... don't equalize the general function with a product
Kinda like the old school Yanks who still refer to vacuuming as Hoovering
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MDave
ZEQ2 Ninja
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Monday, March 20, 2006
Hey take that back! 'Hoovering' is still used in England
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Element4q2
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Monday, March 20, 2006
MDave wrote : Hey take that back! 'Hoovering' is still used in England 
Never!. *Shoo's Dave back to his cave*
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Alex
ZEQ2 Effects Programmer
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Monday, March 20, 2006
Yeah, all in all, backup images are easilly one of the fastest, simplest ways of re-installation and, depending on the software used, can often speed up the work flow of single-handedly maintaining a large network that could often need being reset to 'factory' settings (e.g. public telecentre machines, office machines and so on). If you need to reinstall often and consistantly then it's a damn good idea to keep an image burnt up onto a disc, but in all honesty, it's pointless for a home user to waste time making installation images when they re-install once in a bluemoon and will no doubt install change the way they set things up.
As morph as, what's so hard about putting the windows CD in and spending a few minutes putting in your basic info and cd key? The only times it's beneficial to have an installation backed up as an image when you hardly use it is if it's a special installation, specifically set-up and configured for a distinct purpose which would require quite some time to do manually, though this hardly is needed with windows outside large corporations, though if you're using a personalised compilation of linux that you've configured for your personal server then I'd quite reommend taking an image as you'll want that server working exactly the same as quick as possible if it ever needs to be reinstalled.
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RiO
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Monday, March 20, 2006
Speaking from personal experience; Yes, we do use Ghost to retain backup images of our PCs at work. However, this is for installs complete with all required registered software.
Ghost is handy for that kind of thing, but one should keep in mind that it is not perfect. as far as I know it still does not produce 100% working images on Windows 2003 and it has some very discomforting issues with its recovery console not recognizing hardware components like network cards correctly. (And for large deployments, you don't go around with an image DVD, you'd deploy over the network.)
The preferred way to handle largescale deployments / rollouts given in Microsoft's MCSE courseware is if I remember correctly indeed to use an unattended installation. Fact of the matter is that strictly speaking, Morpherex would be right; Officially, that would be the way you should do this kind of thing.
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